Samuel Dudley - Western Australia

[sparrett]

Perhaps the OP has this information as he was initially only interested in Samuel's time in WA and now the HOOBIN family. 

Hard to know

The couple are buried together-

Cemetery   Lake Terrace Cemetery - Mount Gambier
 DUDLEY, IDA SOPHIA 
Section   K
Grave 1305
Date 31/10/1969
Age at Death 77 YEARS

Surname   DUDLEY, SAMUAL (sic) WILLIAM 
Section K
Grave 1305
Date  17/12/1975
Age at Death 83 YEARS


Nasty accident to SAMUEL WILLIAM in 1929

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/35745923?searchTerm="mr s w  dudley"&searchLimits=

Sue

[cando]

Looks like Shane's tree online
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/d/u/d/Shane-P-Dudley/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0074.html

Cando

[shane9]

subscribinge

Thank you so much, I just love coming home and checking my emails now.  The information you are supplying is just great, although it is showing just how little i know about searching and how much is not on ancestry.com which i am suscribing.

Looks like Shane's tree online
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/d/u/d/Shane-P-Dudley/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0074.html

Cando

Yes this is me.  I have not updated that file in many years.  I think i should delete it as its so out of date.

Perhaps the son of MARY and SAMUEL married in SA




Samuel William Dudley

Father's Name Samuel Dudley
To Ida Sophia Muller
Her Father's Name: Johann Franz Muller
Date 14 Mar 1916
At Mount Gambier
Registered at Grey, South Australia
Page 818
Volume 266

Sue

This is Samuel's and Mary Hoobin's only surviving son who moved from Victoria to Mount Gambier around the early 1900's.  I know their son Keith Dudley, so I have pretty good records for this period.

Death in South Australia - and it usual for the father of a deceased child to be named but whether or not he was in South Australia is doubtful.

HOOBIN Annie 11 years Status Child Relative Peter HOOBIN [Father]
13 Jul 1886
Residence Kensington Death Place Kensington Nor Symbol S 156/394

The Symbol S can supplementary extra information including that the deceased child's father is deceased.

Cando

There was a large family of Hoobin's in South Australia about the time Mary and Bridget , Peter, John and the rest came to Australia.  What is confusing is that they share so many common names.  I have been ignoring any South Australian references.

Perhaps the OP has this information as he was initially only interested in Samuel's time in WA and now the HOOBIN family.

I think your information is incorrect with Mary's parents being hotel keepers. It was Mary's brothers who emigrated to South Australia, who were the hotel keepers.

Cando

I think I agree with you. Samuel appears to be working for the Hoobin's as opposed to being the actual licence.

A quick search of the Victorian indexes shows there were a number of Children of PETER and BRIDGET (nee Cunniffe) HOOBIN in the Hotel business round inner Melbourne.

I have not seen a death for PETER though BRIDGET's death is indexed.(below)

Here also is a Memorial Inscription from Melbourne Cemetery for BRIDGET and daughter MARY DUDLEY

HOOBIN

In loving memory of my dear mother
Bridget HOOBIN who died 23 Jun 1914, age 89 years
and of my sister
Mary DUDLEY who died 7 Aug 1895, age 29 years
and her two infant children
Bridget A. HOOBIN died 22 Apr 1957.

Date 3/3/1894.Location RC Section BB

There are many of the family memorialised at MELBOURNE CEMETERY and some of their genealogy is explained on these memorials

Death


HOOBIN Bridget
Father Cuiniff
Mother Unknown UNKNOWN
Age 89
 Death Place Ncote
Year 1914
Reg. 7001


 Sue

All the names and the relationships are a 100% match, the only thing that looks odd is the age of Bridget Hoobin in 1914 of 89 years.  That means she was born around 1825, and she was around 41 years old when she had Mary.  If she was Thomas's mother she was about 43 when giving birth, and if she was Anne's mother then she was 51 years old at the time.  Very impressive.

I do have some old correspondence from a Mike Cunniffe in 2003 who saw my tree online and contacted me.  He said that he is related to Bridget (Hoobin)Cunniffe and was updating his history at the time. He said she was born in 1846 (one of three children John, Mary and Bridget) to Michael Cunniffe and Ellen Craddock.  Its all unverified, but the birth date of 1846 looks better.

Arriving 1882 as Assisted Immigrants - need to search further for their actual date arrival and the vessel.
HOOBIN Bartholomew
HOOBIN Mary

And on the ASHMORE in 1885 - Assisted immigrants
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0si9/
HOOBIN Bridget
HOOBIN Thomas
HOOBIN Bridget
HOOBIN Anne   

I see no record for Peter, the father on the passenger lists in South Australia.

Cando
                      

Its a shame that they did not list the passengers ages as that would have been a great help. 

So it looks like 10 Hoobin's migrated to SA from 1879 to 1885.  The only Hoobin children of Peter and Bridget Cunniffe that I can pretty much say at this point are 100% match (from BDM quoting the parents names) are Mary, Peter, Bartholomew (died NSW 1923) and John.  I think I agree with you in that their father Peter does not seem to have made the trip to Australia with them.

Its getting pretty late and I think I will have another look at all your information again tomorrow.

Thanks again for all your help

Shane Dudley

[cando]

Shane I would not ignore SA unformation. John and Mary HOOBIN who lived at Macclesfield had a number of children.  John had the Macclesfield Hotel at one stage and ther are many refernces to him and his family.  His age at death indicated that he may have been of Peter and Bridget's generation.  Not at my computer at the moment so can't access my resources.

I did see  refernce to. Mr HOOBIN passing through Murray Bridge with others on his overland trip to Melbourne in the 1880's. There may have been more than one HOOBIN on the list.

Information on death certificates is only as accurate as the knowledge of the informant and I wonder who was the informant.  I think you need to see Bridget's death certificate and Samuel's possible second marriage certificate assist your research. You haven't mentioned Patrick as another possible son of Peter and Bridget  Perhaps his marriage certificate would also be helpful. 

There was a John HOOBIN in Victoria in 1856 and number of the descendants of the SA HOOBIN's also came to Victoria but at a later time.

Assisted Immigrant records are at SA Archives and SLSA. Some of the information can be scant. Have a browse through the resources for SA and Vic at the top of the page under Australian Resources. I wish everyone seeking information in Australia would read them.

Cheers
Cando

None of my research was on the website you mentioned

[sparrett]

The only Hoobin children of Peter and Bridget Cunniffe that I can pretty much say at this point are 100% match (from BDM quoting the parents names) are Mary, Peter, Bartholomew (died NSW 1923

18225/1923  HOOBIN  BARTHOLOMEW E
Parents  PETER &  MARY
 LIVERPOOL


This is either an error on the part of the informant or this man was from The SA Macclesfield family of JOHN and MARY HOOBIN

Sue     

[Rhonda May]

The only Hoobin children of Peter and Bridget Cunniffe that I can pretty much say at this point are 100% match (from BDM quoting the parents names) are Mary, Peter, Bartholomew (died NSW 1923
Sue

Also
Annie aged 11 died 13 Jul 1886 Nor/bk 156/pg 394. A year after arrival in SA.
John aged 44 died Melb E in 1902 Reg #6320
Thomas aged 48 d. Melb W in 1918 Reg #2533


Rhonda

[Rhonda May]

John and Mary HOOBIN of Macclesfield SA had a son Bartholomew Francis born c1870 who died in SA in 1956 at the age of 86y, so not their Bartholomew who died in Sydney in 1923.

A Bartholomew HOOBIN in VIC with a brother John.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/6258393?searchTerm="Bartholomew HOOBIN"&searchLimits=

Rhonda

[Rhonda May]

Dimwit me . . . just realised this was brother and sister!
Arriving 1882 as Assisted Immigrants
HOOBIN Bartholomew
HOOBIN Mary

Rhonda

[cando]

The only Hoobin children of Peter and Bridget Cunniffe that I can pretty much say at this point are 100% match (from BDM quoting the parents names) are Mary, Peter, Bartholomew (died NSW 1923

18225/1923  HOOBIN  BARTHOLOMEW E
Parents  PETER &  MARY
 LIVERPOOL


This is either an error on the part of the informant or this man was from The SA Macclesfield family of JOHN and MARY HOOBIN

Sue    

3 Aug 1896
HOOBIN.-On the 30th July, at Bull's Creek, suddenly, John Hoobin, aged 74 years, leaving a loving wife, 11 children, and 10 grandchildren to mourn their less. A colonist of 42 yearn. R.I.P.

John and Mary's arrival -
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/hyderabad1854.shtml

From BISA - not 100% accurate but a good resource for starting your research in South Australia. My additions in blue font from marriage and death indexes.

HOOBIN John born c1829 Co Clare, Ireland
Arrived 1854 on the HYDERABAD  Died 30 Jul 1896 Paris Creek
Occupation Agricultural Labourer   Lived Adelaide  Religion Roman Catholic
Married Mary GRADY born c1834 Co Clare, Ireland. Died
Children - Mary 1854-, Michael 1855-1925 NSW, Elizabeth Agnes DITTMER
1857-1933, Patrick 1859-1954 NSW, John 1861-1911 NSW, Thomas Andrew 1863-1928, Peter c1866-1952, Laurence Joseph c1867-1948, Bartholomew c1870-1956, Margaret Ann PHELAN c1871-1942, Bridget H G GLOVER c1875-, and Mathias 1877-1878.

There are no births registered to this couple in SA as there was a reluctance for some sections of the community including the Roman Catholics and the Scottish to register their children.

I have more but feel this is enough on the SA HOOBIN's for you so you can be assured of the HOOBIN's in the hotel trade in Vic are Bridget's children.

Cando