Samuel Dudley - Western Australia

[shane9]

Hi.  I am looking for any details, particularly marriage / children relating to a Samuel Dudley who departed  from Victoria abt > 1895 to Western Australia and returned to Victoria abt <1914.

I am trying to update my family history book and i can not seem to find any records relating to Samuel for that period in WA.

My grandfather wrote "Samuel senior, separated from his second wife on the West Australian gold fields in the early years of this century. A son was born of the marriage."  Everything written by my grandfather about Samuel's time in Victoria (my grandfather was alive at the time of Samuel) have proven to be correct, so i assume his comment about Samuel in WA is also correct but I can not confirm this.

Samuel was born in 1862 in Bullarook (now known as Newlyn) in Victoria.  Died 1932 in Victoria.  He was married 3 time

* Mary Hoobin in 1889 Victoria - She died in 1895 and Samuel left for WA shortly after
* Western Australia - Unknown
* Martha Cobb around 1924 Victoria

Any help appreciated.

Cheers

Shane Dudley

 

[John Bell]

Shane,

Aust Electoral Roll.
Coolgardie Area, Western Australia.
1906. Dudley, Samuel. Miner in Mount Morgans, W.A

also
in Kalgoorlie, W.A
1906. Dudley, Sam. Wilson St, Kalgoorlie. Miner.

John

[rosball]

A couple of mentions of a Sam Dudley injured in mining accident 1909 and in hospital for 6 months in Kalgoorlie
Miner
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article90482378
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article90648548

regards,
   Ros

[Dundee]

Hi Shane,

Do you have Samuel's death certificate?  If he didn't actually marry the second partner then the death cert may be the only place you will find her name recorded, though it will of course depend on what the informant knew.  You can download the cert online from the Victorian registry.

Debra 

[cando]

Fitzroy City Press 9 Aug 1895
Deaths
DUDLEY On the 7th August, at 232 Young-street, Fitzroy, after a short illness, Mary Elizabeth, the dearly beloved wife of Samuel Dudley, aged 29 years. R.I.P.

Possible 2nd marriage in Victoria
DUDLEY Samuel born Victoria
STEPH Madeline born Fitzroy
1899  Reg#1382

Birth
DUDLEY Louis
Father Samuel  Mother Madeline STELPH
At Carlton  1899  Reg#25180

I think the surname should be STELPH as there are two women, Catherine and Olga enlisted to vote at Bouverie Street, Carlton in 1903.  Catherine HD and Olga a barmaid.  However an Andrew STELP and Catherine BOLAND were having children at Collingwood, Richmond and Fitzroy to 1875 but I can't see a birth for a Madeline.

Very speculative research.  I noticed the birth of a Margaret to Andrew STELP and Catherine BOLAND in 1875.  Now this death for Louis DUDLEY born 1899 mentions mother unknown READ.  Are Margaret and Madeline the same person?

Deaths
DUDLEY Louis
Father Dudley Samuel  Mother Unknown  READ
At St Arnaud  1933 33 years  Reg#13229

Death with mistranscribed maiden name
REED Margaret
Father Andrew STELK Mother Catherine  BOLAND
At Bendigo  83 years  1964  Reg#10122

Australian Electoral Roll
1903
DUDLEY Madeline  133 Queensberry Street,  HD

1914
DUDLEY Madeline  30 Hanover Street, Fitzroy  Machinist

*Martha Cobb around 1924 Victoria

Marriage in Victoria
DUDLEY Samuel
GREEN/E Martha
1922  Reg#5633

Australian Electoral Roll
1924
DUDLEY Martha  61 Coppin Street, Richmond  HD
DUDLEY Sam  61 Coppin Street, Richmond  Driver
1931
DUDLEY Martha 79 Miller Street Northcote  HD
DUDLEY Samuel 79 Miller Street Northcote  Labourer

Cando

[cando]

Death with mistranscribed maiden name
REED Margaret
Father Andrew STELK Mother Catherine  BOLAND
At Bendigo  83 years  1964  Reg#10122

Is this Madeline/Margaret marrying for the second time?

DUDLEY Margaret
REED Richard James
1920  Reg#10920

DUDLEY Margaret
REID Richard James
1920 Reg#10920R

And Louis' marriage

DUDLEY Louis
BROWN Evelyn
1922  Reg#861

Australian Electoral Roll
1924  Wimmera/St Arnaud
DUDLEY Louis  Carapooee   Sharefarmer

1931
DUDLEY Evelyn  Carapooee
DUDLEY Louis  Carapooee   Sharefarmer

Cando

[shane9]

Thanks for all your help so far.

In response to the queries:

* Yes I have a copy of Samuel's death certificate.  While it is hard to read, very blurry, it only lists two marriages, one to Mary Hoobin and the other at age 61 to a Martha ? ?

* With regards to Samuel in Victoria, my grandfather wrote that , "On his return to Victoria he was licensee of a hotel in Johnson Street, about 1914." and,  "At the time of his death about 1932, he and his wife were licenses of the Watermans Arms Hotel in Little Collins Street, Melbourne."  I can find Samuel living in the Limerick Castle Hotel at 63 Johnston Street Collingwood in the 1914 voter rolls.  In 1919 he appears to be at  56 Easey Street as a Barman.  In 1924 he is with his new wife Martha at Coppin street Richmond.  In 1931 he is with his wife Martha at 79 Miller Street Northcote.  So what my grandfather wrote seems to check out, hence my query re Samuel's time in Western Australia.

* Cando - I can not find the following Marriage Ancestry.com??? (i must be doing something wrong), but it does look good

DUDLEY Samuel
GREEN/E Martha
1922  Reg#5633

 With regards to Samuel's wife Martha at the time of his death in 1932. All i have managed to find is his will which states that he gives his estate to Martha Dudley and her daughter Ruby Gilbey Cobb of 79 Miller Street.  I can see in the voter rolls of 1936 that a Martha Dudley and Ruby Elizabeth Dudley are sharing a house in East Melbourne.

 
* Samuel was definitely not in Victoria post 23 August 1895 (his wife died in early August) as i have his original letter to his brothers saying that he is going to WA.  Its a sad letter asking that the family look after his surviving son Samuel Junior.

Thanks again for all your help so far

Shane Dudley

[cando]

Ancestry do not have all the Victorian bdm's that are available on other resources as well as online.
 http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria

Information on death certificates only as good as the knowledge of the informant.  Just because his 2nd marriage isn't listed doesn't mean it didn't occur.  Who was the informant?

How do you know Samuel didn't return to Victoria to marry?  I noticed a STELP in WA in 1903.  Perhaps he was a relative or perhaps her father  

You need to see the 1899 marriage cert to proceed with your research.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage

Cheers
Cando

[sparrett]

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