charles stavely canada 1896

[anneelaine]

Hello
No one left now only my sister and myself sad to say,
thanks Anneelaine

[lilybell]

Hello anneelaine,

Okay here goes your mother Gladys was the daughter of Charles. Now who is Gladys mother and was she married to Charles or was it a war time romance. I want to be very sure I have the facts right...the more information no matter how small it might seem will help us all out.

We are all willing to help but you must help also. What facts about Charles do you have other than what you have posted. Did your Grandmother ever indicate a address for Charles seeing as he sent money every month for her keep. Do you have any idea when Charles died...perhaps when the money stopped

Was there a birth registration for your mom. or a baptismal record...anything which might have the father's name or residence.

So many times family stories can become tangled over the years.


Lilybell

[anneelaine]

Hi
No address was given for him,
Annie Jones was Gladys mother born 1895 in Chester
she did not get married  to him she did not want to go and live in canda
no name on  birth registration just  mother and baby home in Manchester not there now
Do not know when the was money stoped.
sorry not a lot to give you

[Lisa in California]

JaneyCanuck (and others?) wondered where your grandmother lived.  I wonder if there might have been a military base near her home?  It might help determine if Charles was in the Canadian or English military.

[JaneyCanuck]

anneelaine has let me know she has a bit of a reading /vision problem so we need to be patient.

I think we do have it pretty clear.

Gladys was anneelaine's mum.

Gladys's dad was Charles Staveley.

He and Gladys's mother were not married -- it was a wartime romance and it sounds as if Gladys's mother was very young.

(I think maybe we don't need to know Gladys's mother's name, since she and Charles were not married.)

Gladys had the one photo of him, that we have seen.

There is no information about him on Gladys's birth certificate, and Gladys's birth was not registered with the name Staveley.

Gladys's grandmother told Gladys that Charles was a violin maker.
(this could have been after the war)

When Charles came to see Gladys in 1922, he wanted to take her to Canada.

What we actually don't know is whether he was from Canada himself.
(either born in Canada, or born in England and had been in Canada before the war)

I think anneelaine would not know about the money sent by Charles (when it stopped) because it would have been when anneelaine's mum Gladys was a girl living with her grandmother.

[JaneyCanuck]

Possibly interesting.

A Daniel Staveley born 1894 in Burnley, England, enrolled in the Canadian Expeditionary Force (CEF) in 1917:

http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gat3/115821a.gif
(click on it to enlarge the image when you go there)

His next of kin is his mother Annie in Montreal.

In 1901, Daniel was in Burnley with parents John and Hannah, and brother Charlie aged 13 (born about 1888).

That is the Charles born in 1887 in Burnley that I mentioned way back.

(Ann and Hannah were often interchangeable.)

In 1911 the parents and other children are in Burnley and Charles is also there separately.

However, Charles is married by 1911.
He is a cotton mill worker.

D Staveley born 1893 travelled to Monteal in 1912.

The other passengers match the family from Burnley:

H female 1968 (mother Hannah)
JT male 1866 (father John)
A female 1896
JT male 1903
Wm male 1889


That Charlie just does look a lot like the one in the passenger record lilybell posted:


British Reservists
Staveley Charles
3Rd E Lancs
Age 25
Country of Last Permanent Residence Canada
Country of Intended Future Permanent Residence England
This passenger record puts his DOB as 1889.
The military record I mentioned previously indicates he was in the Territorial Force.


That Charles's wife, Florence Maude Smith, was almost 10 years older than him.

And there are no children born to them after 1911 (assuming Smith was her birth name - no Staveley births in Burnley at all 1911-1918).

Maybe that marriage did not last and he joined his family in Canada.

There is no death to match him in England.

There is also no death for a Florence M Staveley. Nor do I see an identifiable remarriage for her under that name ... but she could have remarried under her birth name ...

[JaneyCanuck]

anneelaine sent me this -- I think it's good to put in the thread:

just one more thing
On the back of the photo it says
To Mrs Jones, wishing you a Happy New year from Chas Staveley. no date on it (That's mum's grandmother)

[anneelaine]

HI
Looking at the signature  it's not  at all like the one on the back of the photo
anneelaine

[JaneyCanuck]

anneelaine, you mean the signature on the Canadian document?

That is the document for DANIEL STAVELEY.

Daniel had a brother Charles, and I think he may be your man.

Read on!



travelling to Halifax Canada in 1913 from Liverpool:

Chas STARELEY dob 1888 >>> surely a mistake for STAVELEY

If anybody has access to look at that, this could be the missing piece of the puzzle.

If this is our man, the story goes like this.


Charles Staveley was born in Burnley in 1887.

He married Florence Maud Smith in 1909.
She was older than him -- born in Burnley in 1880.

John and Hannah Staveley and their other children emigrated to Canada in 1912, leaving their married son Charles in England.

Charles joined them in 1913.
(No one accompanied him on that voyage.)

He returned to England in 1914 to join the war effort.