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Offline Joanna Tolhurst

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #1179 on: Wednesday 29 June 05 19:18 BST (UK) »
Found the bit that gave James as William Maule Molison's father.  It was in the notes on William James ASM's son:

WILLIAM JAMES4 MOLISON (ALEXANDER STRACHAN3, WILLIAM MAULE2, JAMES1) was born 1871, and died 1958 in 'STANWAY' PURLEY OAKS ROAD, SANDERSTEAD, SURREY. He married HILDA MARIA MILNES, daughter of WILLIAM MILNES. She was born 1877 in Lee, Kent, England.

Also checked on the Wilson ref.:

Notes for ELIZA WILSON MOLISON:
The Wilson is a family name. Her aunt married a Wilson. The family connection was quite strong, as Robert James Molison put his address at a Dr. Wilson in Huntley Scotland when he was at University in Aberdeen.


So either a sister of Alexander or of Augusta Jane Marshall married a Wilson.  We've accounted for all ASM's step sisters so could this be a clue to Augusta Jane's family or a another daughter of William Maule Molison born before his marriage to Margaret Davidson.  Still haven't found who Robert James was though.

Also:

Hence you find that Osbert Forsyth, a cousin, married a Dunbar, was in business with Sir John Pirie Lord Mayor of London, and whose daughter married James Molison, another cousin and brother of Alexander Strachan Molison.

Does this mean that James Molison was a cousin of some sort to Duncan Dunbar not just through his wife's connection?  Another clue to William Maule Molison's family?

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TOLHURST - Hastings  OSBORN - East Sussex
GOLDSACK - Hastings & Kent
HAINES - IOW, Portsmouth  ALEXANDRE - Guernsey
CLARKE - Portsmouth  BREEDON - Portsmouth, Nottinghamshire
HORNBY,  KING,  WILKENS,  GOODAIR  - all London
GRAHAM - Portsmouth, briefly Canada, Fife
MCINTOCH, STEWART, DUNSYRE, SIM, BONAR, RUSSELL, TRAIL - Fife
HUGHES - Glamorgan, Herefordshire   NICHOLAS - Breconshire
ROSE, KEMP, SEAGER, SIMS, KNEE, BOX - Wiltshire

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #1180 on: Wednesday 29 June 05 19:34 BST (UK) »
There is a user submitted entry on the IGI for

Robert James Mollison born 1869 Aberdeen, Scotland
Died 14th July, 1931
Married Alice Dalgleish  01 MAY 1902  Dunedin, Otago, New Zealand
She was born 19 MAY 1866  Newton, Scarsdale, Victoria, Australia  and died 21 NOV 1928

Mary
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from The National Archives <br />Lunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire), <br />Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire), <br />Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford)<br />Special separate interest in Longford (Blackrock, Dublin)

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #1181 on: Wednesday 29 June 05 20:03 BST (UK) »
Checked on that but couldn't find a birth registration for Robert James on Scotlandspeople.
TOLHURST - Hastings  OSBORN - East Sussex
GOLDSACK - Hastings & Kent
HAINES - IOW, Portsmouth  ALEXANDRE - Guernsey
CLARKE - Portsmouth  BREEDON - Portsmouth, Nottinghamshire
HORNBY,  KING,  WILKENS,  GOODAIR  - all London
GRAHAM - Portsmouth, briefly Canada, Fife
MCINTOCH, STEWART, DUNSYRE, SIM, BONAR, RUSSELL, TRAIL - Fife
HUGHES - Glamorgan, Herefordshire   NICHOLAS - Breconshire
ROSE, KEMP, SEAGER, SIMS, KNEE, BOX - Wiltshire

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #1182 on: Thursday 30 June 05 07:15 BST (UK) »
Just to let contributors to this thread know that your efforts are being noted!

http://genealogyblog.com/?p=3914
http://genealogue.blogspot.com/2005/06/censuswhacking-and-other-british.html
http://genealogy.about.com/b/a/179196.htm
http://www.foote-family.com/weblog/

These are 'blogs' that have picked up the BBC story about the Challenge.
If you look at the Rootschat statistics page, too, you'll see that a host of new members joined this month - so I'm sure your work on this Challenge will have helped to draw them in!

cheers

Paul






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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #1183 on: Thursday 30 June 05 09:21 BST (UK) »
Back with you after losing internet connection yesterday - a disadvantage of living at the foot of the Vosges mountains in the current hot weather is that we get monumental thunderstorms which take out our electric/phone lines periodically!

I've hunted for a Wilson connection without success so far: I thought it was more likely to be on the Molison side, given that Dr Wilson lived in Scotland, and that Michael's info was principally about that side of the family.  However, that would mean an undiscovered sibling or a double marriage for one of the sisters we know about - not impossible, though.  The Marshalls have defeated me entirely, I'm afraid.

Likewise, I found nothing conclusive for Robert James Molison, but if we take the IGI place of birth with a pinch of salt, could he be the youngest son of James Molison and Isabella Ann Forsyth, who we found at school on the 1881 census?  According to that census, Robert was born c1869 in Holloway, Middlesex.

I'm not sure what to conclude about cousinship between the Molisons and the Dunbars from the quote about Osbert Forsyth - it's the kind of sentence which is crystal-clear to the person who writes it, but confusing to an outsider!

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ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #1184 on: Thursday 30 June 05 11:18 BST (UK) »
What time period are we looking for a Wilson marriage?

Is this too early/late?

Margaret Dunbar to John Wilson 15/11/1801 Arbuthnott, Kincardine
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #1185 on: Thursday 30 June 05 11:32 BST (UK) »
Eliza Wilson Molison, chr. 21 Sep 1849, supposedly had an aunt who married a man named Wilson.  Eliza's father was born c1802 and her mother c1813, so this marriage is perhaps too early, but you never know - it might be a great-aunt or something like that.

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ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #1186 on: Thursday 30 June 05 12:14 BST (UK) »
The usual apologies if this is already posted, but I've been trying to hoover up some Muirs... :)

From 1891 Census

James R Roberts, Head, M, 31, Commission Agent Provision, Lancashire, Toxteth Park
Mary B Roberts, Wife, M, 29, London
John R H Roberts, Son, 3 mths, Lancashire, Toxteth Park
Gertrude E Muir, Sistyer-in-law, 18, Lancashire, Walton on the Hill
+ 1 servant

all at 51 Bryanston Road, Toxteth

Mary B would be Mary Barron Muir, and both she and Gertrude are sisters-in-law to Allan Robertson.

Now I've typed this, I'm sure I remember it being posted before.  Time to get my coat again...

Paul

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #1187 on: Thursday 30 June 05 12:18 BST (UK) »
By 1901, the Roberts are at 7 Alfred Place, Toxteth, and James R has become an organiser for the Royal National Lifeboat Institution.
Nice guy 8)

We also get South Kensington as a place of birth for Mary Barron Roberts.

Paul