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« Reply #1080 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 15:03 BST (UK) »
An interesting article about how the poor Emma Lyon became Lady Emma Hamilton when she met with William Hamilton b.1730, English Ambassador of Naples and uncle of famous painter of the time Charles Greville (still looking for connection to "our" Hamiltons, difficult seeing as the article that looks like it suggests a link is in Spanish!) -

http://www.batguano.com/Xladyhamilton.html
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov

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« Reply #1081 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 16:51 BST (UK) »
Going back to Greenock and the sugar refining industry (an Orr Ewing is a member of the The Sugar Refinery Association, and there is a George Robertson working at a sugar refinery), this site gives a picture of how Greenock was back in the 1800's -

http://www.mawer.clara.net/history.html

I wonder if this is how Charlotte came to meet our Allan Robertson, her family being plantation owners, his being in shipping, etc......the two industries must have worked close together. From what I've read, Bristol, Newcastle, Glasgow/Greenock and Limehouse London were the main locations for ship building/importing goods from overseas/plantations, and looking at the censuses you can see this is where there is a concentration of the families we have been looking at, certainly I've noticed this with the Robertson's......
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov

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« Reply #1082 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 18:01 BST (UK) »
Well, this is what Babelfish makes of the letter (don't you just love those cheap translators!):

This it is an interesting and complete article of Maria Cheek Santana on the Hamilton Family, published the 24 of May of the 2003 in the supplement "Press" of the newspaper "the Day" of Santa Cruz de Tenerife.

The Hamilton family, of British origin, was based in the Canary Islands from year 1819. First of this last name that arrived at the Islands was Lewis Gellie Hamilton, who came to work in the company Gilbert Stuart Bruce, of that with time one would become partner. On 1837 she founded the Company Brushes, Hamilton and Co, that was dissolved in 1878, seven years later, in 1885, she is created under the denomination of Hamilton and Compañi'a - name that still shows this company at the present time.

Lewis Gellie Hamilton had been born in 1798 in the Scottish locality of Greenock, in the county of Renfrew, in the family conformed by John Hamilton and Isabella Gellie whose father was the Captain Lewis Gellie, being as well grandson of Archibald Hamilton and Agnes Hyndman. This branch was descending direct, by this paternal line, of the monarch James II of Scotland, that would be the ninth great-grandfather of Lewis, to the salary newlywed the daughter of that king, princess Mary Stewart, with James Hamilton, first Lord Hamilton de Cadzow. Concretely, Lewis Gellie Hamilton is eighth grandson of James, first Count of Arran, one of the children of the mentioned Lord.

James Hamilton was born towards 1415, contracting first nuptials in 1440 with Euphemia Graham, countess of Strathearn, and, when enviudar, he married in 1474 with Princess Mary Stewart, daughter of king James II of Scotland and Marie D'Egmont. This marriage had like fruit three children: David, James and Elizabeth Hamilton. Once layout, to approximately, the original trunk from which comes island the Hamilton family, we happen to study to the different figures that we have mentioned.

Sir William Hamilton, British diplomat, archaeologist and vulcanólogo born in Scotland in 1730, whose collection of antiques acquired in the exploration that carried out in Pompeya was sold to the British Museum in 1772, were ambassador in Naples and author, between 1774 and 1800, of several works of which étrusques, greques ET romaines (1766-67) and Mount Vesuvius emphasize Antiquités (1772). Sir William, fourth son of Lord Archibald Hamilton, married, in 1758, with Catherine Barlow - daughter of the English parliamentarian Hugh Barlow -, and after enviudar, it contracted marriage with Emily Lyon in 1791, which later would happen to historical annals through its loving relation with Lord Horacio Nelson. To these biographical details we must add previously that Sir William was descending direct of Elizabeth Hamilton, already mentioned, which would turn to Lord Hamilton the seventh great-grandfather of Sir William Hamilton and eighth great-grandfather of Lewis Gellie Hamilton. This way, Sir William appears like eighth uncle of Lewis Gellie, and its wife, Emma Hamilton, eighth policy of the own Lewis would be aunt, circumstance that does not stop being quite surprising knowing the entailment of which outside its lover with the history of the island of Tenerife.
 
Emma Hamilton, as a single person Emily Lyon, was born in 1765 in Nesse, Great Neston, County of Cheshire, England daughter of Henry Lyon, blacksmith of profession and Mary Kidd, passed an adolescence and first maturity under the pretended name of Emma Hart, immersed in an excessive and lujuriosa life in London. Well-known lover of the aristocrat Charles Greville, this one sent it to Naples with his uncle Sir William Hamilton, where Emma became dancer, who delighted to the guests of Sir William with dances inspired by classic elements, Goethe that in an occasion was watching of its dances wrote "Its putting in scene is not looked like anything of which I have seen previously, express She a variety of wonderful transformations, a pose after another one without rest". In 1791 one please married with Sir William, happening to be Lady Emma Hamilton and gaining Reina Maria Carolina of Naples. The intimate relation with admiral Nelson began in 1798, and after the return from both to England, in January of 1801 had like fruit a daughter, of Horacia name. Sir William falls ill and in 1803 it passes away leaving him a pension annual of 800 pounds. In 1805 admiral Nelson passes away in the battle of Trafalgar. In a codicil of its testament, Nelson asks the British government who provides it in his absence, which did not happen, and to the death of the English hero Emma it declares themselves in bankruptcy and it is arrested in 1813 by debts. The following year he happened to take refuge to the locality of Calais, in France, where soon after he would finish his days.

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« Reply #1083 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 18:08 BST (UK) »
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Another member and important figure within the Hamilton family at global level appear in the History of the United States. Alexander Hamilton, whom the light in 1755 in the Caribbean Island of Nevis saw, was one of the children del marriage of James Hamilton and Rachela Lavien. Still young, with hardly 23 years, one married with Elizabeth Schuyler, with which he would procreate 8 children. He promoted artillery captain and, later, between 1777 and 1781, held the position of secretary of General George Washington, who to the chosen being first president of the United States designated first secretary to him of the Treasure of the United States. Alexander happened to annals of North American History also being the founder of the National Bank. Its death, occurred the 2 of Julio of 1804 in the course of a duel with vice-president Aaron Burr, in Weehawken (New Jersey), - motivated to the read salary Burr declarations of Hamilton in his against published in a Burr newspaper instead of being remembered by his political race he happened to History like the assassin of Alexander Hamilton.

The relation of kinship between Lewis Gellie Hamilton and Alexander Hamilton is something more distant than previously reviewed, although both have like common ancestor to Gilbert de Hamilton, first Hamilton that is known - been born to date before 1272- and Isabel FitzRandolph, their wife, who they had by son to Walter Fitztgilbert. The only thing which it is known with certainty of this personage that it passed away in 1345, having has been contracted marriage with Mary Gordon, fruit of which was born 3 children: John Hamilton de Ballencrief, David Fitzwalter de Hamilton and Walter Hamilton. The second of them, David, is the direct ancestor of Lewis Gellie Hamilton and Sir William Hamilton, being known by to be named Baron of Cadzow by the king of Scotland David II, to have participated in the battle of Halidon Hill, in Durham - where prisoner in 1346-y was taken being one of the leaders who helped that outside crowned Robert III. The third son of Gilbert de Hamilton, Walter, is the ancestor of Alexander Hamilton, señera figure in the beginnings of American history since we have verified.

This accumulation of data we can yet affirm that Lewis Gellie Hamilton, founder of canary the Hamilton branch, and the treasurer Alexander Hamilton was prime in fourteenth degree and Sir William Hamilton and Emma Hamilton were uncles in thirteenth degree of Alexander Hamilton. Another Important politician of the great Hamilton Family was George Hamilton Gordon, British Prime minister between 1852 and 1855 and founding one of the Athenian Society. George Hamilton Gordon was born in Edimburgo the 28 of January of 1784 was the older son of George Gordon, Lord Haddo, and Charlotte Baird and twelfth grandson of James I Stewart King of Scotland and Joan Beaufort grandparents of Mary Stewart wife of Lord mentioned Hamilton previously, married with the daughter of John James Hamilton, Marquess of Abercorn and of Catherine Copley, Catherine Elizabeth Hamilton, novena granddaughter of James Hamilton, First Earl of Arran. George Hamilton Gordon was great friend of Reina Victory, which in all its trips to Scotland lodged in Haddo House the residence of the Family Hamilton Gordon in Scotland. Lewis Gellie Hamilton is uncle in tenth degree of British prime minister George Hamilton Gordon and eighth uncle of Catherine Elizabeth Hamilton, his wife. Sir William Hamilton is uncle eleventh of George Hamilton Gordon and eighth uncle of its wife. The American politician Alexander Hamilton is uncle in sixteenth degree of British prime minister George Hamilton Gordon and fifteenth of his wife Catherine Elizabeth Hamilton

Perhaps in summary, we can conclude that four personalities summit in our History were relatives and, although seems surprising, they themselves never knew it. The genealogy is a science that causes that the families meet, find its bonds and their roots historical, and that people who never we thought that they could have no connection finally are distant relatives. They knew that in the Canary Islands the Wise person is a great number of descending families of Alfonso X, of whom come almost all the real houses as well? This circumstance would place to an elevated number of canary families in relation of kinship with the European Royalty, although this fact is one more only between the many connections between important personages and historical and families connected in our islands, since, really, the humanity does not stop being a great family.

Wish I could translate it from the Spanish!

Paul

PS   Great find, Cat.  And great connections, MR - I think you are right, we are encountering the power of elites, connections and inter-family communities of power!


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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #1084 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 18:43 BST (UK) »
I must say thank you for the sugar refineries link.  My gr gr gr grandfather is listed as being from hamburg - and a sugar house worker  - both in the greenock and later liverpool areas.  It really helps me understand his reasoning for coming to Scotland, and in fact there are three wills listed on the site which may help me understand the original spelling of their family name!!

Thanks

Tom
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http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/default.htm

cumberland - ivison
derby - fearn
durham - moon, bowman, waters
kent - millgate, hatcher, cox, alaby, gibbs, goodbourne, hollams
lancashire - dears, bradborn, matthews, burke
london - mears
northumberland - curry, grey
yorkshire - bergan, ackney, irwin, sclaes, metcalf, crosby
caithness - stewart, waters, gunn, cormack, horne
refrewshire - houston, dow
hamburg germany - dears ( deircs)

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #1085 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 19:00 BST (UK) »
Glad it was of some use to you, Tom  :)

Wow, Paul, thought it looked as if it would be interesting but didn't realise it would give as much detail as that. We're lucky that you have connections in the right places to translate!!  :)

Just the Robertson/McIver/Boyd connection to solve now......although MR will probably sort that one for us  :)

Catherine
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov

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« Reply #1086 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 19:12 BST (UK) »
Robertson-McIver connection?

MacIver - Assistant-Surgeon James Robertson - 4th Punjab Rifles - died 11th December 1869.
 Grave at Sialkote - "Sacred to the memory of Asst Surgeon James R. McIver IVth Punjab Rifles, who died at Sealkote on the XIth Decr. 1869 aged 26 years. eldest son of Evander McIver Esqr. Scowrie House Sutherlandshire. Deeply regretted by his brother officers and all who knew him. He is not dead but sleepeth."
 Memorial at Scourie Cemetery, Edrachillis, Sutherland, Scotland - "Erected by officers 4th Punjab Infantry, in memory of James Robertson McIver, MD, Assistant Surgeon, died Sealkot, 11 Dec 1869, age 28.
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« Reply #1087 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 19:59 BST (UK) »
Found this too, on IGI - still no connection to "our" Robertsons though, but obviously the families had several links over the years -

James Robertson McIver b.23/01/1817 Stornoway, Ross and Cromarty - Parents - Catharine Robertson and Lewis MacIver

This is the one mentioned by Nessie -

James Robertson MacIver b.30/01/1841 chr. 24/02/1841 Dingwall, Ross and Comarty - Parents - Evander MacIver and Mary MacDonald
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov

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« Reply #1088 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 21:04 BST (UK) »

Wow, Paul, thought it looked as if it would be interesting but didn't realise it would give as much detail as that. We're lucky that you have connections in the right places to translate!!  :)

Catherine

Hi Catherine

Can't claim any credit - the translation was courtesy of http://www.altavista.com/ and their 'Babelfish' software translation service.  As you can see, its a bit rudimentary, but you can usually glean the sense of things!

cheers

Paul