June 2005 RootsChat Challenge

[Paul E]

Hmmm... curiouser yet curiouser!  I'm sure MR will sort this out when she gets back from her Round the World in 80 Hours research trip!

Paul

PS

The day we find Allan after 1891, I'll be dusting off my red beret in celebration!

[CatOne]

Paul, this looks like your "Eleanor Robertson" in 1871 -

15 ....George Square.....Liverpool St Thomas
RG10/3778 Folio40 page74

Eleanora C Robertson Widow 39  Worsley Lancs
Alen Son 21 Commercial Clerk Cheshire Birkenhead
Robert P Son 12 Ireland
Agnes B Daughter 9 Liverpool
Henry Pendlebury Brother 34 Commercial Clerk Liverpool
Agnes Robertson Aunt Widow 65 Annuitant Scotland
+ 1 servant

Are they connected to our Robertsons??


CatOne

[CatOne]

and this is her in 1861 with husband and other children -

RG9/2676 Folio 85 Page 36
Liverpool St Thomas 15....George Sq

William Wood Robertson 38 Blockmaker Scotland
Eleanor C 31 Lancs Worlsey
Alan 10 Cheshire
Sarah J/L 7 Liverpool
Archibald M J 4 Ireland
Robert P 2  Ireland
+ 2 servants

CatOne

[Manchester Rambler]

Back on the thread after a hectic weekend - looks like I've a lot to catch up on!

South Africa?  Very interesting - no wonder they seemed to thin out later on.  The IGI doesn't throw up anything for Molison there, unfortunately, but aren't they a fascinating family!  

The Moody family connected to Allan spell their name with a "y", rather than "ie", so I doubt we can make a connection with Annie's Moodie family, although you never know...

Archibald Robertson - I vaguely remember noticing him at some point while looking for Robertsons, but never went back to see if he was connected.  The coincidence of name, location and occupation is intriguing, isn't it?  

Free BMD has the birth of Alan Ferrier Robertson in Ormskirk district, Mar 1891.

Also an Edward McIver Robertson in Bolton district, Sep 1870.

Will try and follow this family up!

Janet/Jessie Morrison - I thought we had ruled her out already, which is why she's not in the summary!  Allan certainly had an aunt named Janet Robertson, but Janet/Jessie's mother was named Janet Fleming Robertson, and lived in Scotland.  According to the Morrison website, Janet Fleming Robertson's brother Alan married Isabella Ballingol, and had a son Allan born in Perth on 17 Apr 1872.  (This checks with an extracted IGI entry.)  Our Allan is the son of James Robertson and Mary Marshall Molison, born in Camberwell on 21 Oct 1872.  The IGI records 9 different Allan Robertsons born in England or Scotland in 1872!

Rambler

[CatOne]

Could this be the aunt Agnes Robertson that was visiting Eleanor/a Robertson in 1871?

1881 RG11/3626 Folio 39 Page 19
40 Catherine Street, Liverpool Mount Pleasant
Margaret McIver Unm 75 Annuitant Greenock, Scotland
Agnes Robertson Widow 80 Greenock, Scotland
+ servant
 

[Manchester Rambler]

Could this be the aunt Agnes Robertson that was visiting Eleanor/a Robertson in 1871?

1881 RG11/3626 Folio 39 Page 19
40 Catherine Street, Liverpool Mount Pleasant
Margaret McIver Unm 75 Annuitant Greenock, Scotland
Agnes Robertson Widow 80 Greenock, Scotland
+ servant
 

I'd say it was very likely - especially living with a McIver.  And we're back to Greenock, where "our" Robertson line starts.

William Wood Robertson was christened in Greenock on 29 Aug 1821, son of Archibald Robertson and Margaret Boyd, who were married in Greenock on 15 Feb 1819.  One sister, Mary Dow Robertson, chr. Greenock, 16 Jan 1820.

Looking for a possible birth for Archibald, I found an Archibald Robertson chr. in Greenock on 11 Aug 1794, son of William Robertson and Elizabeth Davidson.  A possibility only - I hoped to find a Wood connection.  (Margaret Boyd is presumably the dau of Thomas Boyd and Mary Dow chr. in Greenock on 26 Aug 1798.)

This Archibald Robertson is roughly the same age as the Archibald Robertson in Allan's family who married Agnes Hamilton in 1822.

While bearing in mind that Robertson is a far more common name than Molison (for example), it's probably worth doing a bit more digging here.  However, the temperature outside is now over 30°c, the computer is in our bedroom under the skylight, and Roger Federer's match is about to start at Wimbledon, so excavations on my part will be continued later!

Rambler

[CatOne]

Marriage of William Wood Robertson and Eleanor Crouchley Pendlebury 1848 December Liverpool Vol 20 Page192

Marriage of Thomas Boyd and Mary Dow 20/08/1781 Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland (extracted record)

ps. on the IGI theres also the christening of a Margaret McIver on 18/02/1805 Middle or New Parish, Greenock - Parents David McIver and Jane Boyd (Jane Boyde who married David "McIves" was christened St Nicholas Liverpool 1776 according to an lds member submitted record, no parents mentioned; David was born 1772 St Nicholas)

If the above is the correct Margaret, her parents David McIver and Jane Boyd married in Liverpool 22/08/1797 (lds member submitted info), and David died in 1812 "Bay of Biscay, Atlantic Ocean, At sea"

ps. the David McIver was a convict/migrant ship operating from Liverpool in the 1800's - a shipping connection again, wonder if the David McIver above is anything to do with the ship, I have found a reference to a David McIver who was a partner in a shipping firm, but it was too late to be the above David if he died in 1812 - see link below

http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/archive/displayGuide.aspx?sid=24&mode=html&sorStr=&serStr=&pgeInt=&catStr=

[CatOne]

There is a David McIver, shipowner, on the 1871 and 1881 censuses, born Liverpool 24/08/1840, chr.21/11/1841, (according to member submitted lds submission), so I wonder if anyone will have more success than me at finding his parents to try and link him to the above David McIver who married in Liverpool. Feel sure they must be linked....

[CatOne]

This looks like David and parents in 1861,  looks interesting  ("Morrison" mentioned too)-

RG9/2684 Folio 56 Page 10
Liverpool Mount Pleasant (same area as Margaret McIver and Agnes Robertson)
Abercromby Square?

Charles McIver 48 Shipowner  Scotland
Marianne 42 Scotland
David 20 Liverpool
John  18 Liverpool
Jane  15 Liverpool
Marianne 13 Scotland
Elizabeth 11 Scotland
Charles   10 Liverpool
Henry  8 Liverpool
William 4 Scotland
Edward   3 Liverpool
Charles Morrison Bro in Law 51 "farmer? from Australia" Scotland
+ 5 Servants

(theres a Charles McIver chr. 13/10/1798 Greenock, parents Jane Boyd and David McIver, and theres also a Charles McIver chr16/04/1812 with the same parents, so maybe the earlier one died? This would make the second Charles, the one above possibly.....)