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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #918 on: Monday 13 June 05 11:11 BST (UK) »
All you ever wanted to know about Turkey Red:

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United Turkey Red Co Ltd was by far the largest firm in the bleaching, finishing, dyeing and printing industry in Scotland. It was formed during the 1890s, growing naturally out of a number of occasional associations between dyeing firms in the West of Scotland, set up to deal with difficulties encountered by the industry as a whole. In the 1880s, for example, a German technical monopoly in the production of artificial alizarine, the chemical extracted originally from the madder root, which produced the Turkey-red colour, led to steep price increases for English and Scottish dyers, with consequent loss of business and unemployment. In the 1890s, the dyers set up a protective association, the Dyers in Glasgow and the West of Scotland, to contest what were seen as discriminative tariffs imposed on British dyed yarns imported into India. An important figure in the establishment of the new company was John Hyde Christie (1836-1926), who began work for John Orr Ewing & Co as chief chemist in 1859, becoming general manager and, in 1878, a partner in the firm. The companies involved in the merger were John Orr Ewing & Co (established 1830), Archibald Orr Ewing & Co (established 1830), Wm Stirling & Sons (established 1723) and, in 1900, Alexander Reid & Sons was purchased.


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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #919 on: Monday 13 June 05 11:31 BST (UK) »
The "Australian" Molisons (James and Isabella's children) only seem to show up on the 1881 census.  Did they go back to Australia afterwards?  We're missing one of the children, Allan D (b.1860) in 1881 - where is he?  (He may have died young, of course.)
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Hi Rambler,
Might the "Australian" MOLISONs have been in Scotland in the other relevant censuses (1871 - we need them there too - and 1891 and 1901)?  And might other records (marriages and deaths) also be in Scotland?

The Scottish censuses and BDMs are jealously guarded by GROS; and it seems a little bit like cheating to pay to look at them (I might be tempted if I had time remaining on SP - but I can resist that temptation because, although I have credits remaining, I don't have any time.)

We have James marrying Isabella in Scotland in 1849.
Then in England we have Isabella b Surrey ca 1850 and Margaret b Surrey ca 1851 (we don't know what happened to Margaret).
Then it's off to NSW Australia where Annie Forsyth (presumably died young as another child was given the same name), Osbert W, Allan D (we don't know what happened to Allan D), Annie F, Mildred F and Saltoun are born.
1861 census: they are all presumably in Australia so won't appear.
Then back to England where Jeannie W (ca 1867) and Robert (ca 1869) are born in England in Holloway.
1869 the father James died in Scotland.
1871 Census: we don't have any of them in England.  Perhaps the widowed Isabella and her children are all in Scotland?  Or have they gone back to Australia for some reason?
1879 The mother Isabella dies in England - on the Isle of Wight.
1881 Census: the following orphaned children (some adult, some not) are in England - Isabella jnr, Osbert W, Annie F, Mildred F, Saltoun (boarding at school), Jeannie W, and Robert (boarding at school)
1882 Osbert W dies in England
1891 Census: we don't have any of them.  Some girls might perhaps have married (in either England or Scotland) and be hiding under other names.  But what about Saltoun and Robert - are they in the 1891 Scotland census, or have they died (England or Scotland or wherever), or have they left the country?
1901 We don't have any of them (comments as for 1891).

It makes it hard when there's no easy/free access to the Scottish records!

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #920 on: Monday 13 June 05 11:44 BST (UK) »
Well, it's supposed to be a challenge....!  ;D

Yes - Scotland's a real possibility, as is Australia.  I haven't managed to find a likely-looking marriage for any of the girls, or anything helpful on Free BMD, IGI or Google.  It's odd how they appear and disappear en bloc.

Will keep digging!

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« Reply #921 on: Monday 13 June 05 11:56 BST (UK) »
Duplicated post as RootsChat went down on me - full version below!

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ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #922 on: Monday 13 June 05 12:00 BST (UK) »
Hi all,
   Just a quickie about the "Canada Jenny's" Allan, he's got 2 "LL's".

       Tatham, my gran used to play at a whist drive with a lady Tatham, the Tatham corner at Aintree racecourse was named after her family.

                                                Lesanne.    ;D
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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #923 on: Monday 13 June 05 12:03 BST (UK) »
Very quick note - I'm in work and I sit outside the director's office now so can't be long  :'(

On the 1861 census I saw a Christian Mollison (think it was "ll") can anyone check the entry to see if the age fits for our William Maule's mother?  I'm sure it was an old girl.

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #924 on: Monday 13 June 05 12:06 BST (UK) »
Orr-Ewings - the well-connected lot!

Archibald Ewing (bro of James who married Allan's aunt Helen Robertson) married Elizabeth Lindsay Reid on  27 Apr 1847.  (Extracted records at Row and Bonhill, Dunbarton.)  He was married under the name Archibald Orr Ewing, and at some point became Sir Archibald Orr-Ewing, 1st baronet.

Archibald and Elizabeth's children:

William Ewing - 14 Feb 1848, Bonhill, Dunbarton
Archibald Ernest Ewing - 22 Feb 1853, Barony, Lanark
Jannette Edith Ewing - Aug 1854, Barony, Lanark
John Orr Ewing - 29 Mar 1859, Anderston, Glasgow, Lanark
Charles Lindsay Ewing - 08 Sep 1860, Bonhill, Dunbarton
Elizabeth Constance Lindsay Orr Ewing - 2 Aug 1862,  Dunoon and Kilmun, Argyll
 
CatOne has found Archibald Jr's marriage and a 1891 census entry for John Orr Ewing and family.

Note that all but 2 are plain "Ewing" at birth.

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ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #925 on: Monday 13 June 05 17:11 BST (UK) »
Re: the Orr Ewing girl who was visiting the Duchess of Marlborough in 1901 - I think this is the connection -

On 25/07/1898 James Alexander Orr Ewing married Lady Margaret Frances Susan Innes Ker, daughter of Anne Elizabeth Spencer Churchill (daughter of the 7th Duke of Marlborough) and James Henry Robert Innes Ker (7th Duke of Roxburgh)

James A Orr Ewing was KIA'd 28/05/1900

(The Spencer Churchill/Dukes of Marlborough line includes Diana, Princess of Wales and Sir Winston Churchill)

See -
web.ukonline.co.uk/bean95/ft/frippuk/pafg38.htm#1095
and
pages.prodigy.net/ptheoff/gotha/marlborough.html
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
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« Reply #926 on: Monday 13 June 05 17:16 BST (UK) »
ps. Christian Mollisons age on 1861 is 76 (b.1785)
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov