June 2005 RootsChat Challenge

[CatOne]

The Orr Ewings are obviously very well connected as, on the 1901 census, theres a one year old Millicent L E Orr Ewing visiting Lilian Warren, Duchess of Marlborough (age 40, widow), at Deepdene, Dorking, Surrey, along with the Duchesses son, William de la p. Beresford......along with 30 house serevants to look after them!!! and 30ish garden/bothy and stables servants!!!! RG13/622 Folio 12 Page 16


ps. Paul, i wondered that too, googled it and thats the closest it came up with

[CatOne]

Been checking ancestry out for Orr Ewings on the censuses and the only other two I can find are on the 1881 census -

RG11/4727 Folio 72 Page 1
Corraby Barracks, Gate Fulford, Yorks
"Cavalry Barracks" Fulford Road
Leiutenant J/S A Orr Ewing 24 16th Lancers POB. Scotland


Aldershot, Hamps RG11/0786 Folio 68 Page 1
John Orr Ewing 22 4th 2nd Leiutenant Royal Irish Dragoon Guards  POB. Scotland

[Joanna Tolhurst]

The Dunbar connections:

Duncan Dunbar Molison (son of Alexander Strachan Molison, nephew to James Molison whose father in law was cousin to Duncan Dunbar shipping millionaire, see my posting last night) married Justina Louisa Shores daughter of John wallis Shores and Justina Tatham.

Found on IGI:
Justina Tatham chr 8 July 1862 Walthamstow parents Duncan Dunbar and Mary Ann Tatham
From NOTES ON THE ISSUERS OF THE CEYLON TOKENS
The partners parted company in 1860 and Thomas Dickson started the firm under the name Thomas Dickson & Co. with Christopher Tatham as partner. The name was again changed in 1863 to Dickson, Tatham & Co.
Tatham was a nephew of Duncan Dunbar, the millionaire owner of the Dunbar Line of first class sailing ships.
Thomas Dickson retired in the early 1860s and Tatham took over the entire business.

can't find the direct link between Justina Tatham, who married John Wallis Shores and Duncan Dunbar but must be close.
How many Duncan Dunbar XXXs are there???!

[Joanna Tolhurst]

Another DuncanDunbar XXX:

1861 Broadwater sTreet Broadwater Sussex
John Wallis Shores head widr 36 proprietor of houses b. Poplar
Charles Latham Shores son 7 b Poplar
Duncan Dunbar Shores son 5 b Worthing
Sarah Ann Shores sister unmar 24 fundholder b Poplar

Sarah ann married Alexander Strachan Molison

Jo

[Paul E]

I found this via Google, on a website about a Morrison family (
http://users.bigpond.net.au/morrisons.engadine.australia/canadian%20morrisons.html):

In attempting to establish the origins of Janet [Jenny] Morrison it is necessary to take into account the apparent distortions she made on occasion relating to information that she provided.

Jenny's death certificate in 1939 gives her age as being 81 years. This indicates her birth year as being about 1859. This is consistent with her being born as the result of a relationship her mother, Janet Fleming Robertson had with William Morrison that was recorded at Kinnoul, Perthshire, Scotland.

Why Jenny changed the facts of her previous life is not understood. In 1907 she 'married' a William Mackay at Glasgow where she claimed to be a 37 year old spinster which establishes her birth year as1870. There has been no record found of this wedding. It is believed that she did not mention her previous marriage to Robert Morrison, although she nominated William Morrison of Hawick as her father and Janet Fleming Robertson, now deceased, as her mother. The legend goes that Mackay was of the aristocrat class and did nor believe in 'working'. He is supposed to have spent all of Jenny's money and left her penniless. There is no knowledge as to whether he died or just disappeared.

Jenny cut her losses and migrated on March 15, 1915 to the USA. She arrived at Ellis Island New York on board the SS Arabic from Liverpool, England as Jenny Fleming Mackay. The Manifest shows her last residential address as being at Manchester, England. She gave her age as being 49 year old widow born in Edinburgh Scotland. Her given reason for migration was to join her "brother", J. Morrison in Phillidelphia. Her next of kin was listed as Allan Robertson, a cousin living at Dundee. Her description stated she was 5ft. 2 inches tall, light hair and brown eyes. Her claimed age gives her a birth year of about 1866. This would indicate that she was about 17 when her son James was born in 1884. She had no brother in the USA but her son James was living at Philadelphia.

In 1917 Jenny moved to Canada at the same time as her son James and she ran a "Rooming House" in Toronto. Amongst the few items left after she died is a book of poetry that was published in 1889 by the Hawick Advertiser that featured a poem by Mrs. William Morrison and a newspaper clipping regarding the death in France of J McE Morrison in WW1. This related to a son of her half-brother William, who had migrated to Australia in 1883.

Given links between Manchester, USA and Canada, is there anything to suggest this might be a relative of 'our' Allan?

cheers

Paul

[Joanna Tolhurst]

Guess that Charles Latham Shores should be Charles Tatham Shores after his mother Justina who married John Wallis Shores junior in 1848, must check the image.
Jo

[MaryA]

I'm just bringing the Harrisons up to date, if I can.  These are the daughters of William Harrison and Ann Elizabeth Muir.

1901 RG13/3970 Fylde Blackpool Folio 55 Page 8
94 Egerton Road, Blackpool
Emma A Harrison Head S 44 Boarding House Keeper Working on own account at home Lancashire St Helens
Annie J " Sister 42 " " " " "
Thomas W " Nephew 8 Lancashire Grange over Sands.

Birth of Clifford harrison (see previous post of William the son and Mary Ellen with son Clifford)
June qtr 1900 Fylde Lancashire 8e 679

A couple of Thomas's to choose from b 1895, neither of them are Thomas W.

[Manchester Rambler]

Hi Rambler, I thought the naming of the earlier Saltoun MOLISON (b 1820 in Fraserburgh) might well have been linked to (i.e. was perhaps in recognition of) the Fraserburgh aristocracy - and that then it was used again because they liked it ...
See first post on page 49.  A Fraser lot in the Fraserburgh region (probably coming from the Lowlands -  East Lothian - previously) became the Lords of Saltoun (the current Lady Saltoun is Head of Clan Fraser).

But there may well be some closer and meaningful connexion!
JAP

I quite agree that the name may have no "biological" connection to the family, but we don't have many clues for taking the Molisons back any further - except of course William's middle name Maule - so it's probably worth keeping an eye out for.  

If we look at WMM's children in the light of Scottish naming patterns, we have:

Alexander Strachan - should be named after paternal grandfather, but was illegitimate, so may not fit the pattern.  It's been suggested that Strachan was his birth name, and that Molison was added later.
Robert Davidson - named after maternal grandfather.
James - doesn't fit the pattern!  (Should be named after father.)
Christian - named after maternal grandmother
Saltoun -
Margaret Maria - named after mother.
Catharine -

This leaves the possibility that either Saltoun or Catharine (or both!) may have been named after their paternal grandmother.  Unfortunately, the family doesn't follow the pattern 100%, so it's just a possibility - no more.

Rambler

[CatOne]

Lanarkshire: Glasgow - Burgesses and Guild Brethren, 1751-1846 and 1825-1840
 This is the rol of the parish of Portpatrick above tuelve yeirs of age according to my knowleg and subt. be me Master John Calduell, minister throf this day of Oct 1684. M. J. Calduell.  
  This is the rol of the parish of Portpatrick above tuelve yeirs of age according to my knowleg and subt. be me Master John Calduell, minister throf this day of Oct 1684. M. J. Calduell.  
   1839.  
County: Lanarkshire  
Country: Scotland  
Ewing, John Orr, merchant, 17 George Square, B. and G.B., as younger l. son to William E., merchant, B. and G.B. 14 Jan 1839  

Found this, but what does it mean??

Also found -
Archibald Ernest Orr Ewing Marriage Dec 1879 Vol 1a Page 689 St George Hanover Square (only 1 bride listed for 2 men though - Marie Rungas) Did we already have this one?

Birth - Edward L Orr Ewing June 1899 St George Hanover Square Vol 1a Page 425 (wonder if its the older brother of the Millicent I found earlier staying with the Duchess)

Also, nearer present day, possible "live" Orr Ewing - marriage of Patricia P Orr Ewing to a Cedric Talbot-Weiss Dec 1985 Ken&Chelsea Vol13 Page967

(There are also 3 births in the 1990s and one in 2001 for Orr Ewings, so they are still alive and well, down in the Surrey/Wiltshire/Hamps area - a few Orr Ewings are coming up on 192.com, including and Archie D Orr Ewing, in Surrey and London, but cant get full details cos not subscribed, just in case u r still looking to come into the present day with the families?)

ps. Interesting story, Paul, about Janet Morrison - when Alan Robertson was chosen as the subject, who'd have thought it would end up with Scottish/English aristocracy, Shipping magnates and worldwide connections!!