June 2005 RootsChat Challenge

[MaryA]

Sorry to widen the page like that, are we near the bottom? or shall I make the images smaller?

I thought we had a birth for Lilias but there is this one which I can't find on my summary so maybe we didn't.  Probably the 33 year old one in 1891.

Lilias Robertson, birth June qtr 1858 Poplar London Middlesex 1c 577

Annie (click one page to the right to get the image)

Mary

Berlin Bob: Mary, I've done it for you.See above

[JAP]

Hello again MaryA,

My knowledge of London districts is mainly that gained from Googling Genuki and Multimap!

And yes, there is a Lilias ROBERTSON in 1858 - in Poplar (which includes Bow ...).  I think Millwall (near Camberwell, in Isle of Dogs?) could be fine for this - no doubt someone will correct this!

The age of 33 is very clear so I think Lilias the housekeeper is out of our picture.

Cheers,

Judy

[MaryA]

Trying to find her on the 1881 and 1901 census to definitely rule her out isn't easy, I would try harder if I thought it was worth it to confirm she WAS, but not that she wasN'T.  She's not with James Hansford on either census.  There is no death for a Lilias Robertson, nor ay other marriage except the one I have and being in the Toxteth Park area, well maybe she came back to family after school.  The age in 1901 fits anyway, although I think she is still missing in 1891.  I'll have to have another look.

[JAP]

MaryA,

Sorry about posting what you'd just posted!  Whatever the case, it does seem that the foster child/housekeeper isn't ours (though who knows if she might come from a connected line!) so I'll modify my summary  post.  I think I'd feel as you do - not really worth chasing up the 33yo Lilias.

But the Lilias who married George PRESTON surely is "ours".  And the image for Alic(sic) at the school where Helen and Agnes are, is clearly a zero with a line through it (thanks for great image!) so that has to be our Alice!  Perhaps Lilias was at a different school because she was too young for the other school (FamilySearch is still down so I can't check the ages of other pupils).

It's great to see the images!  All my ancestors left England (and Scotland and Ireland) way way back so I've never subscribed to Ancestry or 1837online - but there's certainly lots of information available.

I would love to see the entries in the St Peter Liverpool OPR for the christenings of Jessie and Alice - just in case they throw some light on the Papa!  I've probably had the relevant films out in the past - I have HACKING ancestors from Liverpool and they married/christened in St Peter (not to mention St Nicholas and St Luke and even St John Haymarket).  Just as an aside, you can imagine what it's like Googling for 'hacking' in this computer age!

Best Regards,

JAP

[MaryA]

Is Edgware Road anywhere near Bow please anybody?  There seems to be 3 of them on streetmap.co.uk

1891 36 Alfred Place, St Giles, Holborn
Frederick Ashton Gideon Driver/Divan Head M 49 Collector of Income Tax Civ C London Islington
Sarah Wife M 42 " Stepney
Charles A H Nephew 10 Scholar Middlesex Ray of Wriean
Myra JS Niece 7 " " Arkariane
Lilian Robertson Nurse S 24 Nurse (Domestic) London Edgware Road

If this is our girl, she's been about quite a bit.

[Paul E]

Hi Mary

There doesn;t seem to be an Edgware Rd in Bow (Bow is East London, Edgeware road is in North and West)

Paul

[MaryA]

Can't stop laughing at your "Hackings" Judy    

Its nice having somebody else searching for the same people, bouncing ideas off each other helps a bit, so I like your summaries.

Could be right about her being too young for the other school.  
I believe the transcriptions on familysearch give the same information as are on the parish register for St Peter, christenings don't give very much detail.
The ages of the other two are clearly Helen 17 and Agnes 14, send me a pm with your email address and I'll forward you the scans for the school (2 pages listing Robertsons).  Try something - search the 1881 census on Ancestry.com and see if you can see the scans.  It's free to search I know, but don't know whether they have made the scans available too.

Paul - maybe that's a Lilian after all, not our girl, thanks.

Mary

[JAP]

MaryA,

I've actually found some not bad stuff in the actual Liverpool OPRs - certainly more than is indexed on FamilySearch.

Mostly in St Nick's but here's one from St Peter: this is the daughter of my Ggggpa William HACKING - yes that dreadful name - and his second wife, the Widow JONAS (nee BELLIN):
Page 133
BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish Church of ST. PETER,  Liverpool, in the County of LANCASTER, in the Year One Thousand Eight Hundred and Thirty (six)
1836 July No. 1060
When Baptized  24
Child's Christian Name  Lydia
Parents' Name  Christian  William & Lydia
Surname  Hacking
Abode  Fontenoy St
Quality, Trade or Profession  Cabinet Maker
By whom the Ceremony was performed  Thos. Halton Curate

It's always worth looking at the actual OPRs - I have some utter gems!  Here's one from Nottinghamshire for my Ggggma Hannah TINK(L)ER later FREEMAN:
Parish Register for 1803 lists TINKER, Hannah, born Thursday the 13th January and baptized Sunday the 20th February.  Under 'Father's Name Abode, Profession and Descent' it lists "John Tinker of Finningley, Labourer Son of Samuel Tinker of Bentley Labourer by Ann Daughter of".  Under 'Mother's Name and Descent' it lists "Helen Daughter of Robert Walker of Corthourn Shoe-maker by Ann Daughter of" .  The IGI entry has the mother's name as Eleanor but it is clearly Helen in the Register.

Well, I hope that might encourage people to look at the original OPR films (though please without false expectations).

But it's high time to get back to our hero Allan!

I will PM you my address.

JAP

[Lesanne]

      Hi folks,
 Just reading through to see how it's going. I have been trying to put the map I have of the area in and around Stepney etc, as my own research is this same area.
        But can I do it, huh, can I 'eck.

  Read most of the links to various forum's etc on posting images.
     At one time got 'orrible lines all across poor old puta's screen.

 Is it anything to do with aol?

Anyway, Stepney, Shadwell,Limehouse,Mile End are all around St George.,along side the Thames, West and East India Dockyards.

                             Lesanne.