June 2005 RootsChat Challenge

[liverpool annie]

Me too - and I'm still working on Claude but every creative thought I have - turns up Claude W ....

Annie

[Manchester Rambler]

To return to the Muirs:

Thomas Muir's birth (10 Apr 1799) comes from Sedona's info - there isn't an IGI entry.  There are 2 user-submitted entries for the marriage of his parents, James Muir and Ann Robinson in Whitby on 28 Sep 1791 or 1792.

Extracted records for other children (parents given as James Muir and Ann):

James Muir - 8 Oct 1801, Whitby
William Muir - 25 Feb 1804, Whitby
John Robinson Muir - 13 Feb 1806, Whitby

Rambler

[JAP]

Thanks everyone for all the thoughts and information and summaries!

I'm afraid I'm working only with what's been posted and with freebies online - I don't subscribe to 1837online or to Ancestry -  which is why I asked so many of these questions ; (

And I'm very far indeed from doubting that all the people we are talking about are the same family - but answers to some questions might rule out all possibility that they are not (if that's not too convoluted!)

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Where is Hugh Moody ROBERTSON (b 1869) in 1871 and 1881?
Has anyone found a death record for him, or found a possible Hugh ROBERTSON in the 1871 census?

This one seems to be a real puzzle.
We have Hugh Moody ROBERTSON b 29 Mar 1869 (we don't know where) and bap 27 Jun 1869 at St Dunstans Stepney, son of Charles McCrae ROBERTSON and Alice.

The only Hugh R b ca 1869 in the 1871 census seems to be one b in Liverpool and living with father Hugh ROBERTSON in West Derby.  And there's a Hugh R b ca 1869 in West Derby in the West Derby Union Workhouse in 1881.  So, yes, one would have to think that Hugh in the Workhouse is the same as Hugh son of Hugh.

If that's the case, where is Hugh Moody, son of Charles and Alice in 1871 and 1881?

So it would be great to have all the GRO Index records of a Hugh ROBERTSON born (anywhere) ca 1869, and deaths of any ditto from then until after the 1881 census.
 

We have a possible death record for Charles Macrae between 1871 and 1881 but what about Alice ROBERTSON?

That 1873 death in West Derby of an Alice ROBERTSON certainly sounds an interesting possibility - but I guess it could be unconnected.

Has anyone found Statutory Register birth entries for Helen (or for an Ellen Emily), Agnes M, and Lilias?

If anyone can find these it would be helpful if only to rule things out.

So far we have an Ellen Emily ROBERTSON bap 1864 Stepney in the IGI, and a Helen ROBERTSON 10 b Stepney, Agnes M ROBERTSON 8 b Hertfordshire, and Lilias ROBERTSON 5 b Stratford, in the 1871 census.

And in 1881 (at Ockham School, Hampshire) Alic(sic) ROBERTSON {age 29 (should be ca 20!), b London, Asst Matron}, Helen ROBERTSON {age 17, b London, scholar}, Agnes ROBERTSON {age 14, b Bushey Hertfordshire, scholar}; and (at school in Cheshire) Lilias ROBERTSON {age 13, b London}.
 
Getting the births of Ellen Emily and/or Helen, Agnes M, and Lilias ROBERTSON in the GRO Index would be useful if only to ascertain their real ages.

Still puzzling,

JAP

[MaryA]

I wish I was able to get to a Record Office to search the indexes as they are sometimes better quality than those online, well the freebie ones anyway.  You can see the images on FreeBMD but they have probably only got those that they have transcribed already, so if our other girls aren't transcribed, its probably useless to search for the scans, and its very time consuming to find the right one anyway.

As we had the "dubious Lillies" I did go for that one and I would say that it reads Lilias, with this quality to work with its no wonder the transcribers aren't positive.

March Quarter 1868

[Keziahemm]

JAP

The Alice Robertson in 1881 at Ockham School I don't believe to be "ours".


I posted a few pages back the following

RG11/0134  folio 40  page 21

Alice M Robertson  visitor unm  22  Lady of Means  b: London

There's a few more well to do's also visiting 

Susan 

[MaryA]

Sorry Susan, I'd missed that post, so much to follow.

We have to remember that there are two Alice M's born within a year of each other, both in the London area.  I wish we knew any of the other names in the household to link her to.

Annie Horndey (maybe Torndey), householder with visitors John (Lieut Col Indian Army Retired) and Sarah A Anderson, Alfred Ince (British Guard or is there a place British Guano?) D J Overman (Merchant) and Alice M Robertson.

I think there are two points against this one.

1. Is she a Lady of Means?  Apart from somebody affording to send the girls to boarding school, Father was a sailmaker.  Do we have evidence of money in this branch of the family?

2. I just have the feeling that she took the job at the school to be near the other two.

Mary

[kmo]

is there a place British Guano?)

Could be British Guiana (British Guyana)

[MaryA]

June quarter 1869
Hugh Robertson West Derby 8b 104? page number unclear
Hugh Moody Robertson Mile End 1?c 520

So there we have confirmation of the two Hughs, I would suspect that Hugh's son Hugh in 1871 and in the Workhouse in 1881 will be the first.

How lucky was that they were both registered in the same quarter.

Mary

[Burrow Digger]

Instead of looking for Claude being alive, maybe we should be looking for Claude being dead? since we cant find him anywhere.

IMO

BD