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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #837 on: Saturday 11 June 05 12:08 BST (UK) »
On the 1871 census the age of our Alice Robertson is 47.

On the 1881 census there is an Alice Robertson, aged 57, annuitant, widower visiting a shipowners family, the Cruikshanks in Toxteth Park, Lancs. The husband is away, so dont know his name, but his wife is called Isabelle J?, and another visitor is 19 year old Douglas D Robertson, Clerk. Some of the Cruikshank children were born Canada, and the enumerator has put Alices place of birth as Canada and Douglas's  :-\  (RG11/3650 Folio 100 Page 37)

Dont know if these fit in with ours but it looks like they do.....
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #838 on: Saturday 11 June 05 12:12 BST (UK) »
Oo oo Cat our posts are intertwining  ;D

I've posted an image of the ages from 1871 in my previous mail as Cat says Charles' age isn't clear cut.

Douglas D Robertson could be Douglas Dunbar Robertson.
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #839 on: Saturday 11 June 05 12:22 BST (UK) »
The 1881 census Cat has found she is Alice K Robertson and Douglas D Robertson is listed as BROTHER.

Not exactly sure who he is brother to as there is no HEAD listed.  Isabella is listed as wife.

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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #840 on: Saturday 11 June 05 13:09 BST (UK) »
Have we got this family ? - the Muirs and Robertsons uniting again - (looking at the BVRI, these families - Robertsons/Muirs/Molisons/Ewing etc, have been intermarrying for centuries)

Agnes Robertson m. John Muir Dec 1852 West Derby Vol.8b Page 554

1861 Everton, Lancs, 20 St Albans  RG9/2715 Folio 16 Page 26
John Muir  42 Master Mariner Edinburgh
Agnes 36 Edinburgh
Janet 10 Edinburgh
John 6 Liverpool
Charles 5 Liverpool
Agnes 2 Liverpool
Janet Muir Grandmother  66 Widow "Air" Scotland
Robert Donald Visitor Mechanic 29 Widower Greenock
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #841 on: Saturday 11 June 05 14:07 BST (UK) »
Since I shamed myself posting an oft repeated census entry I've copied all the census entries that have been mentioned into a Word doc.  I've saved this as a text document so everyone should be able to open it?

Thought it maybe useful.

I may have duplicates in there and I may have missed a couple if nthey weren't transcribed in a standard format.

I've included page numbers which correspond to this thread.  SO if you want to find the post go to the page and ctrl F.

Cheers,
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #842 on: Saturday 11 June 05 14:39 BST (UK) »


As a person who has continually repeated census information - I appreciate that!! Mary tried to help me but I have a Mac and couldn't open it - but I got this one  :P :P

Trouble is -  now I have no excuse - I just have to be more diligent ::) ::) :Thanks Pammy!!

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #843 on: Saturday 11 June 05 14:44 BST (UK) »
Really helpful Pam!  Now, with the benefit of MR's summary, Mary's word file of the thread and your census listings, we should have no excuse for repeating info.  But I'm sure we still will! :)

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #844 on: Saturday 11 June 05 15:02 BST (UK) »
At the risk of repeating some answers, here goes again ...

JAP Thank you for asking the questions clarifying the queries.

I’m sorry to keep going back to this family, but they are one of the few that hopefully at least one of the members have been brought through to 1901 and so have the chance of making a living connection.

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Where is Hugh Moody ROBERTSON (b 1869) in 1871 and 1881?
No “Moody” Robertsons of any variations showing up in 1871 or 1881. 
1871
Hugh M Robertson in West Derby born Liverpool 1869, son of Hugh M Robertson born Cheshire.  (probably in West Derby Union Workhouse School in 1881)
Hugh Robertson born Stepney approx 1865, son of Alexander and Eleanor.
No death record found.
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Is there any other family in the 1871 census (apart from the family we already have) that could be the Charles and Alice who married in 1863, and had Hugh Moody in 1869 and perhaps Ellen Emily in 1864?
Not that I have been able to find.
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We have a possible death record for Charles Macrae between 1871 and 1881 but what about Alice ROBERTSON?
I think we may have had this before, not sure – based on the age in 1861 Alice Robertson Deaths Age 35 June qtr 1873 West Derby Lancashire 8b 218.  The Charles McCree I found, age 43 March qtr 1877 Wirral Cheshire 8a 309 was presumed because of son Charles moving to Birkenhead – I know this was in the 1891 census, with Jessie Brownlow but it was the only thing I could think of and also finding Lilias in school in Cheshire in 1881.

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Has anyone seen the actual image?  Might the ages have been wrongly transcribed?
Image already on page, dubious for Charles
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Has anyone found Statutory Register birth entries for Helen (or for an Ellen Emily), Agnes M, and Lilias?
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Also a rather dubious possibility for Lilias Robertson:
Mar qtr 1868 - ROBERTSON  Lilies     Mile End  1c 614

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Are the people we've picked as Alice jnr, Helen, Agnes and Lilias really the same as the people in the 1871?
That’s the six million dollar question, but apart from Lilias being separate from the others, the coincidence of names seems overwhelming.
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possible Statutory Register marriage entry for a Charles JOHNSON and an Alice
only the unlikely one for Alice Duffy 1852 Cathedral, Manchester.

Pam
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Also, this Alice was born in Liverpool by virtue of the 1871 census yet the Alice mentioned as marrying Charles Macrae Robertson is thought to be baptised in Stepney.  Obviously this is possible but is it likely?
I think this refers to Alice the daughter not Alice the mother. 
 
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1. Alice Maud Johnson b 1/10.1860 C 27/5/1861 St Peter Liverpool 1861 census says 6 months, born Stepney.  Just because she was christened in Liverpool doesn’t mean she was born Liverpool.
2. JOHNSON  Alice Mary    Dec qtr 1859 - Stepney  1c 514 – this would make her over 1 year old in 1861 so not ours.


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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #845 on: Saturday 11 June 05 15:05 BST (UK) »
I haven't summarised or anything  :-\ So Mary's doc will be better as it contains more I just couldn't fit the full txt doc as an attachment.

I think I now know more about this family than my own!

P ;D
UK Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier

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