June 2005 RootsChat Challenge

[MaryA]

I hoped the Harrisons/Muirs in St Helens would have been in Keswick or Whitby by 1861 but unfortunately not, they don't seem to have moved about much after that.

I think this is the most likely William J in 1901
RG13/3970 Fylde Blackpool Folio 44 Page 44
113 Handsworth Road, Blackpool
William J Harrison Head M 40 Builders Clerk CC Worker Lancashire St Helens
Mary E Wife M 28 Staffs Burton on Trent
Clifford Son 1 Lancashire Blackpool

Death William Harrison Age 71 December qtr 1894 Prescot Lancashire 8b 457
Death Ann Elizabeth Harrison Age 74 June qtr 1900 Fylde Lancashire 8e 528


RG11/3734 Folio 33 Page 4 Prescot St Helens
1881 1 Cotham Street Windle St Helens
William Harrison Head M 57 Builder employing 2 men and 15 boys Cumberland Keswick
Ann E Wife M 55 “ Wife Yorkshire Whitby
Annie J daur Unm 22 Lancashire St Helens
William J Harrison Son Unm 21 Builder Son “ “

RG11/3651  - Folio 113 - Pg 61: 20 Linnet Lane, Toxteth Park, Lancashire

Mary Barrow Muir abt 1862  London, Middlesex, England Daughter
James E. Muir abt 1866  Sri Lanka Son
Charlotte G. Muir abt 1868  At Sea Daughter
Gertrude Muir abt 1873  Liverpool Daughter 
Reginald L. Muir abt 1871  Bombay, India Son
Emma Harrison abt 1857  St Helens, Lancashire, England Visitor
Mary Gilchrist abt 1836  Lanarkshire, Scotland Visitor
Robt. Gilchrist abt 1829  Montrose, Scotland Visitor 
Ann Grant abt 1857  Liverpool Servant

Remember this Rambler?  Emma Harrison is William and Ann Elizabeth’s daughter.

1871 RG10/3863  Folio 175 Page 36
West Balderson Street, Windle
Wm Harrison Head M 47 Builder and Contractor employing 79 men and 10 appr Keswick Cumb
Ann E Wife 45 Wife Whitby Yorks
Emma M daur 14 Scholar St Helens Lancs
Annie J “ 12 “ “ “
William J Son 10 “ “ “
Mary Muir Mother in Law Widow 66 Retired Whitby York

1861
81 Duke Street, St Helens
William Harrison Head M 36 Joiner and Carpenter Manager Cumberland Keswick
Ann E Wife M 35 Yorkshire Whitby
Emma M Daur 4 Scholar Lancashire St Helens
Annie J “ 2 “ “ “
William J Son 1 month “ “
Ellen Watkinson Servant Unm 19 House Servant Lancashire Rainford

[liverpool annie]

I remember that 'cos I got told off for following the Gilchrists - 

By the way - MR told us to look for Claude's school this is what I found for that address - an Indian Restaurant ...............

Kashmir Tandoori
35 Gateford Road
Worksop
01909 477573

I must have food on the brain today....

Annie

[M.T.H]

Hello everyone,

I while ago, I posted some stats for this thread, and out of curiosity,I had another look today.

I'm sure that it will come as no suprise,but this ole thread is now number one in the Top 10 Topics (By replies) with a huge 820 replies,2nd place is British Isles Vital Records Index look up offer PART 2 with 725.

Amazing stuff,keep up the good work all of you. 

Mick

[JAP]

If Charles the artist and family were in England for the 1871 census, I haven't been able to find them.  Info posted p.34 of this thread is from 1881/1891 censuses.
Rambler

Just to tie up who Charles ROBERTSON the artist probably is.  Charles the artist was said to be 40 and b Liverpool in the 1881 census; wife Alice said to be 40 and b Sydney (ages not quite right ...?).  Their family included a son Claud W age 11 - who, we think, is the Capt Claude William ROBERTSON who was killed in action in 1900.

I looked up his wife Alice in the NSW BDMs.  MR thought it was probably the ROBERTSON-LOUSDALE(sic) marriage in 1865 in Cheltenman in the IGI and mentioned an Alice M LONSDALE b Sydney in the 1861 census.   In the NSW BDMs there's an Alice M LONSDALE b 1836 in Sydney, parents William and Martha (presumably the William LONSDALE and Martha SMYTHE who married there in 1835).

Then I looked up the children of Charles and Alice on FreeBMD.  Adrian is there as Adrian Van Der M ROBERTSON, Mar qtr 1871, Chertsey.

The IGI has an LDS submission for the birth of a Charles ROBERTSON, 5 May 1844 in Liverpool to a Charles Vander Meulen ROBERTSON and Harriet HOPE (also several other children to this couple).  There's also an LDS submission for their marriage in 1843; that marriage - but without the middle name - is on FreeBMD in West Derby, LAN.  Charles and Harriet are mentioned briefly on the following website:
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~slkarner/WC15/WC15_201.HTML

JAP

[tommytoronto]

Checked the Muir summary - and didn't notice Mary Dale's birth.  I found an IGI listing for a Mary Dale born Apr 17 1804 Whitby, Yorkshire and died Nov 30 1890.  It shows her marriage to Cpt Thomas Muir on Feb 7 1825.  It is member submitted, and there are two member submissions with the same info.

There is also a listing for a christening on May 8 1804 at Silver Street Independent, Whitby, Yorkshire. The birth date is also referenced as April 17, 1804 so my guess is it the same Mary Dale as above  ;-)  Her parents are listed as Richard Dale and Ann.  Off to look for a marriage now...

Tom

Oh I hope I found something new......

[tommytoronto]

Well - we have a marriage on the IGI between a Richard Dale and an Ann Hebron in Whitby on Mar  8 1800.  Hmmmm........ Not at the same church however.

Tom

[tommytoronto]

and a sibling for Mary

Ann Dale born june 4 1807 chr july 17 1807 dau. Richard Dale and Ann at Silver Street Independent

Tom

[Manchester Rambler]

Robertsons:

I hope everyone now accepts that Charles Robertson (artist) and son Claude William do NOT belong to our family!

I'm afraid I've missed something (not fully awake, perhaps!): please can someone who's been following Robert Malcolm Robertson, wife Jessie and son Charles explain what connection they think they have to our family?  Sorry if I'm being thick this morning!

Charles M Robertson (sailmaker) and family - seem to want to confuse us deliberately!  I'm practically certain that the 1871 census entry is for "our" Charles Macrae Robertson, but don't know how to explain the discrepancies with 1861/1881.  I'm going to let them simmer for a while, and hopefully come back to them with a fresh mind.

India/Ceylon-born Robertsons?  None connected to our family as far as we know...

Love the Tandoori restaurant!

Muir-Harrison

Nice work folk - Ann Elizabeth Muir apparently preferred a man who kept his feet on dry land!

Molison

More loose ends tied up -thanks Pam!

On with the hunt...

Rambler

Tommy - your info just came up!  Excellent - more ancestors for Charlotte to follow.

[JAP]

The various Jessie JOHNSONs

From FreeBMD and previous posts (note JOHNSON with and without a 'T')
Jessie JOHNSON Sep 1852 Vol 8b Page 82 Liverpool
Jessie JOHNSON Dec 1853 Vol. 8b Page 91 Liverpool (posted)
DeathJessie JOHNSON, Mar qtr 1858, Liverpool
Jessie Robertson JOHNSON Dec 1858 Vol 8b page 171 (posted)
Jessie JOHNSTON Mar 1859 Vol 8b Page 112 Liverpool
Jessie Brown JOHNSTON Dec 1860 Vol 8b Page 28 Liverpool

From the IGI (extracted entries)
Jessie JOHNSON
Born: 1853
Christening: 11 May 1854, Saint Paul Saint Paul's Square, Liverpool Lancashire England
Age at Christening: 1
Father: David JOHNSON
Mother: Anne

Jessie Robertson JOHNSON
Born: 17 Nov 1858
Christening: 28 May 1861, Saint Peter, Liverpool Lancashire England
Father: Charles JOHNSON
Mother: Alice

Jessie Brown JOHNSTON (Male)
Born: 18 Dec 1860
Christening: 13 May 1862, Saint Peter, Liverpool Lancashire England
Father: David JOHNSTON
Mother: Ann

It rather looks as though the 1853 Jessie was the daughter of David and Ann, died in 1858, and they named another child Jessie in 1860.  As for the 1852 and 1859 Jessies ...

JAP