Very well done on the summaries Rambler, it must be a near enough full time job, as well as solving some of our problems for us too.
Thank you CatOne and Susan for the birth details for Jessie.
Jessie Johnson Dec 1853 Vol. 8b Page 91 Liverpool
Susan - I was thinking about your suggestion of the "re-registering". I didn't know people could be re-registered, are you sure this was in England? If the BMD entry was later than the IGI entry, then that might have been a possibility since that would be a second registration, but it was earlier than the IGI stated "birth", so I'm not sure that could be right and we also have a birth entry for Jessie Robertson Johnson, matching the 1861 census. It seems to me that there must be two Jessies born Liverpool. It's unfortunate that there's no way of confirming the parents of the earlier born Jessie, but thanks to the IGI we have confirmation that both the Jessie Robertson Johnson and also Charles Robertson Johnson were born to Charles Johnson and Alice.
Now when Susan found them in 1871 Charles the middle initial M as did the father, Charles Robertson, which led us to the Mackae or Macrae. Now this could easily have been an error on the part of the enumerator just copying son as father's name and I suppose we have just assumed this.
1861 census
Alice Johnson Wife Mar 23, b. Liverpool no husband listed
Charles Johnson Son 3, b. Liverpool
Jessie Johnson daur 2, b. Liverpool
Alice M Johnson 6 months, b. Stepney
1871 census
Charles M Robertson Head Mar 47 b. London Sailmaker
Alice Robertson Wife Mar 47 b. Liverpool
Charles M Robertson Son 18 b. Liverpool
Jessie Robertson Dau 17 b. Liverpool
Alice M Robertson Dau 14 b. Stepney
Helen E Robertson Dau 10 b. Stepney
Agnes M Robertson Dau 8 b. Hertfordshire
Lilias Robertson Dau 5 b. Stratford.
1881 census
At a school in Hampshire, Alice Robertson (20) b. London, is assistant matron. Helen Robertson (17), b. London and Agnes Robertson (14) b. Bushey, Herts, are scholars.
Lilias Robertson (13) b. London is at a different school in Cheshire.
Can anybody convince me that there are two Alice Johnson/Charles Robertson families, both with the same names for their children or why there are such large discrepancies between each census. From births there are
1. IGI Jessie Robertson Johnson b 17/11/58 C 28/5/1861 St Peter Liverpool
BMD Jessie Robertson Johnson Dec. qtr. 1858 Liverpool vol 8b page 171. (matches 1861)
2. Jessie Johnson Dec 1853 Vol. 8b Page 91 Liverpool (matches 1871)
1. Charles Robertson Johnson June qtr. 1857 Liverpool 8b 238 Liverpool (matches 1861)
2.
Charles Johnson June qtr. 1852 Liverpool vol 8b page 199 (matches 1871)
1. Alice Maud Johnson b 1/10.1860 C 27/5/1861 St Peter Liverpool 1861 census says 6 months, born Stepney. Just because she was christened in Liverpool doesn’t mean she was born Liverpool.
2. JOHNSON Alice Mary Dec qtr 1859 - Stepney 1c 514 – this would make her over 1 year old in 1861 so not ours.
Charles, Jessie and Alice are 5/4 years older than they should be in 1871.
In 1881 Alice is back to the right age, (so losing 4 years between 1871 and 1881) and Helen, Agnes and Lilias are all 2 - 4 years younger than they should be compared to 1871. So are the people in 1861 and 1881 the same and a different family in 1871, yet their names and birthplaces are right.
I hope this summary covers all angles rather than having to go back pages to check entries, please can anybody give an opinion whether we just agree with these or is there an alternative family somewhere – bearing in mind that the only one found for Charles the father was this family in 1871.
Paul - no it hasn't been mentioned before, but I can't stop singing it now. Any links to Widnes yet and we'll join in with Homeward Bound too.
