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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #702 on: Wednesday 08 June 05 22:52 BST (UK) »
Congrats on both counts MR, the family is spreading to every part of the world.

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Jessie Robertson Johnson born 1858
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Charles Robertson Johnson born 1857

Does anybody have an opinion about these two names, do you think they might have been illegitimate and Alice gave them their father's name in the middle?


Unfortunately there is an IGI extracted christening record giving Jessie's parents as Charles Johnson and Alice - I don't know how we can get round that one.

Jessie Robertson Johnson - b. 17 Nov 1858,  chr. 28 May 1861 Saint Peter, Liverpool

Hmmm...  She was christened after the 1861 census, where Alice is "wife", but her husband isn't with her.  I wonder if the father was actually present in church?

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ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #703 on: Wednesday 08 June 05 22:55 BST (UK) »
Annie - Colin Douglas Robertson (c1823), son of Allan's uncle George Robertson, married Elizabeth Jane Dale, and had children George, Hannah Mary and Henry Douglas.  Elizabeth's unmarried sister Emma lived with them.

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ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #704 on: Wednesday 08 June 05 23:01 BST (UK) »
Now here's a challenge, can we ever link William Maule Molison back this far??? ::)

MAULE
Local: from the town of Maule in France. Gaurin de Maule came into England with William the Conqueror; his descendant, William de Maule, settled in Scotland, temp. David I, where he received a grant of the lordship of Foulis, in which he was succeeded by his nephew, Sir Richard de Maule, who was the ancestor of the Scottish family of Maule.

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TOLHURST - Hastings  OSBORN - East Sussex
GOLDSACK - Hastings & Kent
HAINES - IOW, Portsmouth  ALEXANDRE - Guernsey
CLARKE - Portsmouth  BREEDON - Portsmouth, Nottinghamshire
HORNBY,  KING,  WILKENS,  GOODAIR  - all London
GRAHAM - Portsmouth, briefly Canada, Fife
MCINTOCH, STEWART, DUNSYRE, SIM, BONAR, RUSSELL, TRAIL - Fife
HUGHES - Glamorgan, Herefordshire   NICHOLAS - Breconshire
ROSE, KEMP, SEAGER, SIMS, KNEE, BOX - Wiltshire

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« Reply #705 on: Wednesday 08 June 05 23:14 BST (UK) »
Oh pleeeseeeeeeee Jo no!! - not another family.......!!

http://www.maulefamily.com/

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Who was it that talked about Charlemagne (?) was it Sedona???
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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #706 on: Wednesday 08 June 05 23:29 BST (UK) »
Only one Charles likely in 1881.
RG11/3629 Liverpool Islington Folio 63 Page 12
4-9 Blandford Street, Liverpool
Charles Johnson Boarder Unm 25 Seaman Liverpool.

I wonder if its coincidence that the Head is Lilly Johnson Unm 23 Dressmaker born Liverpool

On FreeBMD marriage between Charles Johnson and Jessie Brownlow Dec qtr 1888 West Derby 8b 904.

1891 RG12/2889 Birkenhead Tranmere Folio 16 Page 25
Tranmere, Birkenhead
16 Well Lane
Madge Hurst Aunt Wid 40 Living on her own means Dublin
William Brownlow Father in Law Widr 60    “   Liverpool Lancashire
Charles Johnson Head M 36 Stock & Share Broker “ “
Jessie Wife M 22 Edinburgh

At the moment I've come to a stop, no trace in 1901, will have to pick this up tomorrow as I'm off to water the grass now, got to go find the hosepipe in the garage without walking on the floor as I think we have a mouse in there eeeeeeek :-\ and then I'm going to bed, yawwwn, Night everyone.

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #707 on: Wednesday 08 June 05 23:30 BST (UK) »


Think we could find some relatives in here ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/salem/SALEM.HTM

Lordy lordy lordy......................

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #708 on: Wednesday 08 June 05 23:58 BST (UK) »
Congrats on both counts MR, the family is spreading to every part of the world.

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Jessie Robertson Johnson born 1858
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Charles Robertson Johnson born 1857

Does anybody have an opinion about these two names, do you think they might have been illegitimate and Alice gave them their father's name in the middle?


Went back into local R.O.  to look again for births of Charles M Robertson's (1830) children, two years either side of given dates can't find any of them  ???

After staring at fiche for a view hours I am goggle eyed.  ::)

Susan
Herefordshire: Mytton.
Lincs: Ingham
Northants: Knight (Welford); Linnell;  Gaudern.
Staffs (Brierley Hill, Kingswinford): Wood; Eades.
Somerset: Bailey; Lewis
Warwickshire: (Alcester, Henley in Arden) Lewis; Casey/Keasey
Warwickshire (Birmingham suburbs) Knight
Yorkshire (Bradford):  Ingham


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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #709 on: Thursday 09 June 05 00:04 BST (UK) »
Oops not quoted a "quote" before doesn't look quite right  :o

Think I'd better go to bed  ;D

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Herefordshire: Mytton.
Lincs: Ingham
Northants: Knight (Welford); Linnell;  Gaudern.
Staffs (Brierley Hill, Kingswinford): Wood; Eades.
Somerset: Bailey; Lewis
Warwickshire: (Alcester, Henley in Arden) Lewis; Casey/Keasey
Warwickshire (Birmingham suburbs) Knight
Yorkshire (Bradford):  Ingham


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« Reply #710 on: Thursday 09 June 05 03:45 BST (UK) »
Antipodean MOLISONs
I noticed mention (in the four pages since last I looked!) of a half-brother James MOLISON in Sydney (ASM - "2 February 1855 Signs a Power of Attorney in favour of his 'half brother' James Molison, then resident in Sydney.."  and "7 January 1863  Sells his land in Wollongong New South Wales to James Waddell Frazer for 100 pounds. The deed of conveyance signed under Power of Attorney by his half brother James Molison.")

This will be the James MOLISON Rambler mentioned a couple of pages back as follows:
"James Molison married Isabella Anne Forsyth in Elgin, Moray on 18 Jul 1849.  2 children I've found so far:
Margaret Molison - chr. 28 Aug 1851, Stockwell, Surrey
Annie Forsyth Molison - 22 Jan 1854, Balwain, New South Wales, Australia"

There were Antipodean MOLISONs in the 1881 census on FamilySearch which I couldn't tie in earlier but we now find that they are linked (and one is named Osbert - wasn't there an Osbert FORSYTH or some such name mentioned at one stage?).

Anyway, an exact spelling search for MOLISON in the 1881 census on FamilySearch only brings up 20 names.  As an aide-memoire, I'll list the family with Antipodean connexions.  It is in Lewisham Kent and comprises:
- Osbert W MOLISON, Head, 25, b Sydney Australia, Commercial Clerk
- Isabella E. MOLISON, Sister, U, 30, b Kennington, Surrey, England            
- Annie F. MOLISON, Sister, U, 27, b Balmain, Australia
(Balmain is a suburb of Sydney)            
- Mildred F. MOLISON, Sister, U, 18, b Woolhara(sic), Australia
(Woollahra is a suburb of Sydney)            
- Jeanie W. MOLISON, Sister, U, 14, b Upper Holloway, Middlesex, England            
- Florence WATSON, Visitor, U, 25, b Hammersmith, Middlesex, England            
- and 2 servants.

Noticing that birth in Holloway, Middlesex, I suspect that the following lad is a member of the same family:
At school in Lancing as a Boarder:
- Robert J MOLISON, 12, b Holloway, Middlesex

The following births (I didn't find any marriages or deaths) are in the New South Wales BDM at:
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/
To James MOLISON and Isabella A (this will be Isabella Anne FORSYTH)
1854 Annie F
1856 Osbert W
1860 Allan D
1862 Annie F
1862 Mildred F
1865 Saltoun F
There's that forename Saltoun!  It was mentioned a few pages back - IGI extracted entry is: Saltoun MOLISON chr 23 Oct 1820, Fraserburgh Aberdeen, parents Wm M MOLISON and Margt DAVIDSON

JAP

PS: Isabella Ann FORSYTH chr 12 Mar 1826, Saint Mathew, Brixton, London, parents Osbert FORSYTH and Isabella.
   Osbert FORSYTH married Isabella REID, 6 Nov 1819, Banff, Banff, Scotland
(both extracted entris from IGI)

PPS: a couple of entries from FreeBMD
Death, Jun qtr 1879 - Isabella Anne MOLISON, age 54, Isle of Wight(?)
Death, Dec qtr 1882 - Osbert William MOLISON, age 26, Hastings


PPPS: a couple of facts which we had earlier in the thread (one just a page or so back!) and which I'd forgotten about (it's getting so hard to keep track of it all).
1. Alexander Strachan MOLISON ("our" Allan's maternal grandfather) was thought to have been illegitimate.  It seems to be accepted that William Maule MOLISON (we already have JoT's challenge of trying to link William back to Gaurin de Maule who came with William the Conqueror!) was ASM's father ( i.e. "our" Allan's maternal ggfather) but there doesn't seem to be any record of ASM's birth/christening or of his mother's name (there's a challenge - find "our" Allan's maternal ggrandmother!).  ASM was born ca 1802 when William Maule MOLISON was supposed to have been about 21.  WMM married Margaret DAVIDSON in 1813 and had several children including James MOLISON - so that's why James (who went to the Antipodes) b 1816 is referred to as ASM's 'half-brother'.
2. JoT (more great work) found (a page or so back) the death of half-brother James, age 53, in 1869 in Nigg, Kincardine; also his Will - "James Molison 10 Dec 1869 Residing at Sydney, thereafter Commission Agent in London, thereafter residing at Craigshaw in County of Kincardine"