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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #657 on: Wednesday 08 June 05 12:04 BST (UK) »
Hi CatOne,

Nice to have the birthdate and place of this Archibald confirmed!
It did look reliable as there were also LDS submissions for the other children which tallied precisely with their extracted births & christenings.  But there's always a lingering doubt when it isn't an extracted entry so it's very good to have the BVRI for this Archie.

The McFARLANE we had before was the ms of the mother of Archibald the cashier's wife (Christian Leckie EWING's mother was Eleanora McFARLANE) so I don't think there's anything specifically to connect the ROBERTSONs you mention.

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« Reply #658 on: Wednesday 08 June 05 14:57 BST (UK) »
Now that we have a couple of connections coming post 1900 it seemed appropriate to post a notice in the Old Pals Section of the local paper, the Liverpool Echo.  Due to size constraints (1000 characters) I had to reduce the story to just a little paragraph, which you can read here if you wish.  http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/expats/oldpals/  If anyone has any extra thoughts then maybe they could post an additional message.

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« Reply #659 on: Wednesday 08 June 05 15:28 BST (UK) »

So perhaps George ROBERTSON jnr (uncle of "our" Allan) went from London to Liverpool ca 1856 to join, or take over from, his own Uncle Archibald?

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The only trade directory I've found is too early I'm afraid 1828-29 Pigots there are no Archibald or George Robertsons in Liverpool
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« Reply #660 on: Wednesday 08 June 05 15:55 BST (UK) »
Do you think the unaccustomed heat is getting to us and slowing us up? :)

Temperatures here in England are 21degrees C + today and the sky is blue.

Maybe the garden is proving more tempting than the PC, as posts to this thread have slowed up a little!

MR - time to get the whip out!

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« Reply #661 on: Wednesday 08 June 05 16:00 BST (UK) »



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After being up most of the night for the last 3 days -  looking for your buddy Claude - all I can say is - some of us have to sleep sometime and it's only 9 am here -  so I have plenty of time........... ??? ??? ??? ???

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« Reply #662 on: Wednesday 08 June 05 17:49 BST (UK) »
Just got home and yes the garden is beckoning, the ideal solution would be a laptop with wireless internet, how cool would that be!
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« Reply #663 on: Wednesday 08 June 05 19:13 BST (UK) »
I found this request for information
I couldn't find a date but this is about HMS Curacao
This the ship Douglas Muir Robertson went down on - think we could find out if they got any Robertson replies??


The Canadian TV show Disasters of the Century is looking for ancestors of/or survivors and witnesses of the Queen Mary and HMS Curacoa collision off the coast of Ireland on Oct. 2, 1942.

If you have any information please contact:

Jackie Lay
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2704 10th Ave.
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Thought this was kind of weird too....

Many unexplained things happen aboard The Queen Mary.  Hatches and doors open by themselves in the hours after midnight, sounds are heard in various areas of the ship, wet footprints have appeared along the empty pool, and the ship's first captain who died aboard the ship is seen pacing the bridge.

    Most spine chilling is an incident that occurred during the trip into California.  A marine engineer aboard was in the bow below deck when he heard the voices of panicked men screaming in horror.  Then he heard the sound of crunching metal being ripped apart and the sound of rushing water.  The same noises have been heard occasionally since the ship has been permanently berthed.  Is this the accident of the Curacoa being relived again?

    Skeptical? 
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« Reply #664 on: Wednesday 08 June 05 19:28 BST (UK) »
Well it looks like Michael's info has chased everyone off the Molison's.   :'(

Michael can't join us in the thread but he has read it and seems to agree that Mary Marshall Molison may not have shacked up with Mr Aubrey Lee.

So come on this is great we've helped  :-*

Anyway, here's some real flesh onto bones and voyage information.  Some of this comes from yet another researcher of the family.

The records show ASM voyages as;

13 December 1832 
Capt. of Barque 'Westminster' and on this day receives letter from passengers of ship on arrival-port not known-of commendation on his running a good ship.

27 March 1835
Sailed from The Downs Capt Barque 'Westmorland' 405 tons, built Lynn in 1832, arr. Sydney 15 July 1835 in a passage of 100 days.  220 male convicts shipped. 2 died en route.

6 November 1835
Obtains Crown Grant for land in Wollongong., New South Wales.

31 August 1836
Sailed from Portsmouth, Capt Ship 'Eden' 513 tons, built London 1826, arr. Hobart via the Cape 22 Dec 1836, a voyage of 113 days.  280 male convicts embarked, 3 deaths en route.

15 April 1840
Capt of 'Blenheim' at a disturbance of natives in New Zealand.  Molison was anchored in the Bay of Islands.  In the late afternoon trouble was brewing ashore with the natives, and Hobson asked for help.  Molison quietly moved his ship to a position where his broadside guns commanded several of the gathering places of the natives, and dropped a stern anchor as well so he could bring his guns to bear regardless of tide.  The quiet message was not lost, and the disturbances quietened and then ceased.  For this practical effort, he was commended by Hobson.

The original is signed by Lieut-Governor Hobson..... the following account from 'The Maori Wars, by Tom Gibson, pub 1974, p.22....'On 16 April 1840, the Government storeship Buffalo sailed into the Bay of Islands with a company of the 80th Regiment under Major Thomas Bunbury. ' The men who wore red garments' had arrived in New Zealand in support of the Treaty of Waitangi.  Though 2,500 troops under a Major-General were stationed on the Australian mainland and Van Diemens Land, belonging to the regiments who assembled there from convict escort duty, the Governor of New South Wales, Sir George Gipps, was expressly instructed by the Imperial Government, already operationally committed to China and Afghanistan and fearful of further involvement, to detach no more than a garrison of one hundred men to his new responsibility.  While the soldiers settled in at Kororareka, Bunbury was despatched almost immediately in Herald to South Island...'  The disturbance must have been before this despatch of Bunbury  ie in terms of Hobson's letter, the Monday before 22 April 1840.

5 October 1842
Sailed from Plymouth, Capt 'Earl Grey' Barque 571 tons, built Newcastle 1835, arr Hobart 14 Jan 1843.  264 male convicts embarked 3 died en route.  From a barely decipherable letter of a Mr. Edwin Atkins written by him from Tumut River on 2 March 1843,to Capt Molison, Capt Earl Grey, Sydney, it appears that after leaving Hobart, ASM went to Sydney and then Manila.  As he was back in Sydney in July, it may well be he did not return to England, but went to India via Manila to embark the troops he landed in Sydney on 20 July.

20 July 1843
Capt. of 'Earl Grey' and arrived in Sydney on this day and received a letter of commendation from Edward Lash, Major commanding 99th regiment, and co-signed by Ensign Robert Mendel and E.W. Isdell Ensign.

4 Nov 1845
At the time of the birth of his son DDM was resident at 1 Vittoria Place Limehouse.

10 April 1850
Sailed from Plymouth, Capt 'Blenheim' Ship 808 tons, built Shields 1845, arr Hobart 24 July 1850 in a passage of 143 days.  300 male convicts embarked, 7 relanded, 4 died en route.  By the standards of the day, he must have been a humane captain.  Relanding convicts was unusual.  There must be a story here.

29 July 1851
Sailed from Cork, Capt Ship 'Blenheim' , arr Hobart 31 Oct 1851 a passage of 94 days.  310 male convicts embarked, 2 died en route.   Ship class A1, Master Alex. S. Molison, Surgeon Jn. Smith.
Embarked with 310 male convicts, 2 deaths, landed 308 at Hobart.

Canterbury, full-rigged ship of 681/789 tons built in Sunderland in 1851, owned by D. Dunbar, registered at London, captained by Molison, with a destined voyage to New Zealand. The vessel does not appear in the Register for 1856 onwards, maybe "sold foreign".  This may well be an erroneous entry.

8 August 1851
ASM's residence was 6 Warkworth Terrace, Limehouse.  This was the date of death of his son at the age of 10 months, John, from Hydroencephalus.



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« Reply #665 on: Wednesday 08 June 05 19:36 BST (UK) »
26th Jan 1853
Arrival of the ship Forres from London to Sydney 17th May 1853 Master Molison Cargo/other agent: Smith, Campbell & Co

Passenger / crew list;   Molison   Mrs     tsg:477  Forsyth   Mr     tsg:477

Feb 1854
In Melbourne as Captain of the Blenheim- see British Shipping Index 1852-9 held at the Victorian Govt Archives.   Owner:  D. Dunbar Port of registry:  London

'Canterbury', full-rigged ship of 681/789 tons built in Sunderland in 1851, owned by D. Dunbar, registered at London, captained by Molison, with a destined voyage to New Zealand. The vessel does not appear in the Register for 1856 onwards, maybe "sold foreign".

2 February 1855
Signs a Power of Attorney in favour of his 'half brother' James Molison, then resident in Sydney.

4 April 1856
Lancashire Witch sailed from Gravesend and arrived  Auckland 1 August 1856 . A S Molison Captain. This was a troop ship and came via Australia and Wellington.

20 July 1856
Lancashire Witch entered Wellington Harbour, N.Z. 

White Wings  Vol. 2 Brett wrote: "In 1856 Lancashire Witch, 1368 tons, from London, via Australia, arrived July 20th. Brought 226 passengers, including 149 men of the 65th Regiment to Wellington.

Another vessel of the same name, a ship of 1574 tons, made several voyages to New Zealand in the sixties."  Details given in White Wings, Vol. 1.   Reference: 'White Wings'  Vol. 2 

The Illustrated London News     Jan. 30, 1858

"CHINA -THE ATTACK ON CANTON"
"We take the following from the Overland China Mail of Dec. 16:-
The two squadrons are to act in concert, and, in token of the alliance, the British, on the 13th, hoisted the French, and the French the British, flags at the main on board the men-of war.... As nothing is further from probability than that Yeh will surrender unconditionally, the assault on the city, it is pretty
evident, will take place in the course of a few days. All the marines are in the river, and a  portion were to land on the Honan side. The artillery are on board the  troop-ship 'Moresfoot', ready to start. The party of Engineers arrived by mail-steamer, with, it is said, four companies of the 59th Regiment, are under orders to embark on board the LANCASHIRE WITCH, and about 300 hundred of the Chinese
Coolie Corps go up in the 'Inflexible'."

Until 31 October 1858- in command of ship 'Lancashire Witch' as a transport under the command of the Royal Navy.  Since 4 April 1856- a 2 and a half year stint carrying troops.

31 December 1858- given a certificate of commendation by Rear-Admiral commanding the Naval transport.  The certificate given in Hong Kong on this day.  Certificate given by the Admiral as to the service given to the RN as Capt of a transport in period 8/6/1856-31/10/1858.

The Ship Whirlwind from Hong Kong out 114 days, arrived yesterday with 347 immigrants.

Captain Edghill reports that the Lancashire Witch left Hong Kong 15 days before the Whirlwind, and that when this last named vessel left the Cape of Good Hope, the other had not been heard of. The Whirlwind experienced some severe weather and it is to be hoped that no accident has occurred to the Lancashire Witch, now out 129 days.
[Royal Gazette, 1 Aug 1861]

We are glad to say that the Lancashire Witch arrived yesterday, after the unusually long passage of 131 days. She took in 461 immigrants and one birth occurred on board, but she lost 29 people during the voyage. Of these, 24 died, chiefly from diarrhoea, and 5 were missing, supposed to have been drowned either from suicide, or through accident; the last death took place three days ago. Of the 433 persons brought here 26 are females.
[Royal Gazette, 6 Aug 1861]

At around about this time, on a trip to Siam, he gave the King of Siam a sheep.  The King wrote a letter to ASM thanking him and requesting another sheep be sent- a ram this time- 'to perpetuate the species.'

11 Feb 1862
Edwin Fox sailed from Colombo for London. Arrived London 29 May after a reasonably uneventful voyage. 

6 April 1862
Duncan Dunbar II dies and gives ASM the right to have first purchase of any Dunbar vessels.  The Edwin Fox was subsequently put up for sale after its return to London. It was bought by Edward Gellatly, a beneficiary of Dunbar and the Executor of his estate, for 7600 pounds. Gellatly later formed the partnership of Gellatly, Hankey and Sewell, but the ship's shares were not included in the partnership until 1866. Also, Captain Ferguson, who had been in command since the ship's early years, left and was replaced by Captain Francis Freemantle McLean, 50 years old.

Circa 15 Apr 1862
Edwin Fox sailed for London, having loaded at the ports of Calicut and Cochin. There is no record of the 1863 cargo, but Calicut is the home of calico. Arrived London on 28 August 1862.

11 Sept 1862
ASM buys 14/64ths of the 'Edwin Fox' from Edward Gellatly who had bought the whole ship. Gellatly had been in DDII's employ as well, and was also mentioned in his will.  ASM's address was given as 8 Tredegar Sq, Mile End.

15 Sept 1862
Edwin Fox sailed from London for Bombay. There is no record of her cargo, but she probably carried her normal load of "London General" and "India Pale Ale". Arrived at Bombay on 29 January 1863.


To be continued...
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier

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