June 2005 RootsChat Challenge

[Paul E]

OK - found on 1837Online, marriage of Douglas M Robertson in September Qtr 1928, Portsmouth to a Miss Barr.

So at least we know that Douglas was in England in 1928

DG Barr?

Paul

[Manchester Rambler]

I've just posted an updated summary of the Robertsons, hopefully without too many typos or glaring mistakes...

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,62822.0.html

Hope it's useful.  

Rambler

[Paul E]

Well, we knw that neither Alan, Charlotte or Douglas appear in the 1901 England census.

But we know that Douglas is back in England (at Portsmouth) to marry ? DG Barr in 1928.

He dies in 1942, and his father is back in England a week later, when he too dies.

I would mistrust the US Census entries we have for Alan in America in 1920 and 1930: as MR has said, the Mariner is most suspect, but the other one for a Cotton Mill supervisor is a very different role than a Cotton Broker, and the estimated year for first marriage is a few years out.

Where were the Robertsons in 1901?  (Never mind Claude!)

Paul

[liverpool annie]

I've been looking for David Robertson b. 1853 I think this is his son -

http://www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/certificate.aspx?casualty=45475

Archibald Allan Robertson

I had a marriage between Elizabeth and David now I've lost it - will repost..!

[MaryA]

Paul: Oh poor Claude, you can't forget about him after all this time.

Still following Charles family

Lilias Robertson married George Herbert Preston at St Pauls Toxeth Park 1895 December qtr, 8b 390.

1901 census
19 Hyde Road, Waterloo, Waterloo with Seaforth, Parliamentary Borough of Southport (which means its in Lancashire, not the Waterloo in London )
Lilias Preston Wife M 32 London Bow
Ronald Son 5 months Lancs Waterloo
Minnie " Servant S 28 General Servant (Domestic) " Liverpool
Jean Butter Serv S 15 " "

Birth of Ronald Percy R Preston December qtr 1900 West Derby 8b 238.

"R" stand for Robertson maybe?

[Manchester Rambler]

A possible death record for Charles from Free BMD:

Deaths Mar 1877
ROBERTSON  Charles McCree  43  Wirral  8a 309

The age fits, and the IGI birth record for Hugh Moody Robertson (1869) gave the father as Charles McCrae Robertson.  We have his middle name as Mackae from the 1861 census, but looking at the image, it could possibly be a capital R, not a k, ie. MacRae. 



Rambler

[MaryA]

That's a nice tie up MR, although I think we need to have another look over on the Wirral since he died there.  Maybe some family moved over, especially since that was where Lilias boarded at school.

[JAP]

Link of 1861 visitor HAMILTON to the ROBERTSONs
The following seems to provide the link of visitor HAMILTON in the 1861 census to the ROBERTSONs.

Re visitor Louisa Gelly Hamilton:
There's an LDS submission for the birth of a Louisa Gellie HAMILTON b 27 Feb 1806, West Greenock, Renfrew, parents John HAMILTON and Isabella GELLIE.   And LDS submissions for the marriage of those parents 22 Sep 1794 in Greenock/West Greenock.  And an LDS submission for the birth of that John HAMILTON 11 Oct 1755 in West Greenock, parents Archibald HAMILTON and Agnes HYNDMAN, and his burial 9 Sep 1809 in West Greenock, and a Will dated Jul 1809.
It says that Isabella GELLIE was born in Row Dunbarton, and that her father was a Capt James GELLIE.
Also lists other children to John and Isabella.
No help to us - but mentioned for completeness.
JAP

I posted the above on page 29, and mentioned it again on page  39 as follows:

Louisa Gelly HAMILTON, unm, 53 b Greenock (on page 29 I posted identifying her - but not any connexion with the ROBERTSONs)

Well, I've found a HAMILTON-ROBERTSON connexion which seems to be the one.  An Archibald ROBERTSON (another unrecorded son of George snr's putative parents, Archibald ROBERTSON and Janet MOODY?) married an Agnes HAMILTON (LDS submissions say that she was a daughter of John HAMILTON and Isabella GELLIE, b 8 Jul, chr 4 Aug 1797 in Greenock, d 4 Mar 1887).

Just look at the children of Archibald and Agnes - not just the middle name Moody but also their birthplaces.

The following are all extracted entries.
Archibald ROBERTSON m Agnes HAMILTON, 22 Jul 1822 Greenock.
They had:
Isabella Gillie ROBERTSON, 1823 Greenock
1st daughter named after Agnes's mother - forename and middle name
Archibald Moody ROBERTSON, 1825 Greenock
1st son named after Archibald's father (forename), middle name the m.s. of Archibald's mother
Janet ROBERTSON, 1828 Greenock
2nd daughter named after Archibald's mother
Louisa Mary ROBERTSON, 1831 Liverpool
Helen ROBERTSON, 1833 Liverpool
Agnes Hamilton ROBERTSON, 1839 Liverpool

So perhaps George ROBERTSON jnr (uncle of "our" Allan) went from London to Liverpool ca 1856 to join, or take over from, his own Uncle Archibald?

JAP

[JAP]

Archibald ROBERTSON the Cashier

See page 39.

We still haven't proved whether Archibald ROBERTSON, Cashier of the Royal Bank, Glasgow, Great-grandson of Hugh MOODY, and husband of Christian Leckie EWING is "our" Archibald b 1825, elder brother of "our" Allan's father James.

Doesn't anyone have the 1881 census CD to do a lookup please for the age and birthplace of Alexander the cashier?

He was still alive in 1881.

There are two Will entries for him and his death date is given as 28 Nov 1890.

ROBERTSON Archibald, 07/01/1891, late cashier of the Royal Bank of Scotland, Glasgow, residing at Ballancleroch, co Stirling, d. 28/11/1890 at Ballancleroch aforesaid, testate, spouse of Mrs Christian Leckie Ewing or Robertson - Inventory; Extract Registered Trust Disposition and Settlement; Codicils

ROBERTSON Archibald, 25/02/1891, late cashier of the Royal Bank of Scotland, Glasgow, residing at Ballancleroch, co Stirling, d. 28/11/1890 at Ballancleroch aforesaid, testate, father of Eleanora McFarlan Robertson, etc - Additional Inventory

Archibald's widow, Christian, died in London in 1900
ROBERTSON Christian Leckie, 05/10/1900, or Ewing, 21 Carlyle Square, Chelsea, London, widow of Archibald Robertson, Banker, Glasgow, d. 08/03/1900 at Chelsea, London, testate - Will

JAP