June 2005 RootsChat Challenge

[liverpool annie]

Reginald Luckock Muir
B:   10 May 1870
British Golden Eagle Bombay Harbor, Bombay, Maharashtra, India 

Married  

Jane Ellen Jennings
Birth 4 Apr 1868 in Newcastle, Northumberland,
Death 13 Apr 1955 in Oakland, Alameda, CA, USA   
Marriage
29 Jul 1892 in Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland   

Children   
James Jennings Muir M   3 Jun 1894 in Cardiff, Glamorganshire Wales   

who married

Alice May Webster
Birth: 19 May 1892 in Holden, Millard, UT, USA
Death: 28 Jun 1965 in Oakland, Alameda, CA, USA   
Marriage
10 Jun 1922 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, UT, USA   

Children   Sex   Birth
Jim Muir   M       
Gwendolyn Muir   F   1923   
James W Muir   M   1924   
William Jennings Muir   M   21 Nov 1927 in Austin, Lander, NV, US
Eugene M Muir   M   1928   
Melba Muir   F   29 Dec 1930 in Oakland, Alameda, CA, USA

Well here's a start

Annie   

[Joanna Tolhurst]

Brilliant Jap , my head was swimming with all the leckie Ewing MacFarlane names yesterday and couldn't go much further.  Glad the 100 men of Glasgow article was useful.  
The Eleanora MacFarlane Robertson LDS entry for daughter of archibald and Christain Leckie Ewing will be named after her maternal grandmother Eleanora McFarlane who married William Leckie Ewing.
Interestingly it looks like George Robertson senior son's George and Archibald were both married in Scotland despite being born in London. (George married Mary Walker Gilkison was it Paisley I can't find my notes on that one) (Archibald married Christian Leckie Ewing in Kippen).
Just to clarify teh Hugh Moody Robertson.  He was the son of Archibald Robertson and Janet Moody chr 15 Oct 1790 Greenock. Had a brother John chr 27 July 1788 same place.  Still looking for another brother who would be called George and be our George Senior.  Hugh Moody would be young Archibald's uncle - unless I've missed something.
Must get ready for work - I'll be late.
Jo

[Manchester Rambler]

As you all prefer for "outside" contributions - but if the info is in the IGI and census, we're capable of finding it ourselves, aren't we?  I have no objection to an arbitrator to keep us on track, but at only a week into the challenge I was a bit fed up to see all the t's crossed and i's dotted on a family I was enjoying researching...

In the notes of Leila Shores she mentions Mary Robertson and David Robertson. Does not say if they were husband and wife, or brother and sister. David was a Mincing Lane tea merchant and an artist. Pulbrook, Robertson and Co, 2 Mincing Lane, London, E.C.,

They had a son amongst other children. The son Malcolm went to India in the Indian Civil Service, and is said to have been killed in France in the 1914-1918 war.

A difficult family to follow up as there is no record in the Commonwealth War Graves Commission for a Robertson that even remotely fits Malcolm as having been killed in France.

Before jumping on every Malcolm Robertson we can find, wouldn't it be better to establish who David and Mary Robertson are?  (And if they had a son, I sure hope they were husband and wife, rather than brother and sister!   )

Rambler

[JAP]

You worked hard on that one Jap - good going !! I was going to say I had posted on page 35 -  a very young Archibald banker   
but it looks like you have that one nailed !!
Annie

Annie, your post on page 35 was a family in London of a John C ROBERTSON, b Scotland, with an 18yo son born London - Archibald C ROBERTSON - who happened to be a clerk in a bank.  As I said, ROBERTSON is a very very common name.  There are thousands of them in the 1881 England & Wales census.  How many thousands I don't know because FamilySearch doesn't allow one to go past 5000...  I think we really need to stick to ROBERTSON people who we know, or have very good reason to suspect might, have a connexion.

JAP

[Manchester Rambler]

JoT and JAP - congratulations on some excellent research!  What else can I say?  Your marvellous follow-up on Mary Robertson's visitors in the 1861 census ties in beautifully with our other info, and confirms Archibald Robertson and Janet Moody as George Sr's parents, even if we don't have a birth record for George.  Along with all Archibald Jr's family!

I'm really impressd!  

Rambler

[JAP]

Brilliant Jap , my head was swimming with all the leckie Ewing MacFarlane names yesterday and couldn't go much further.  Glad the 100 men of Glasgow article was useful. 
The Eleanora MacFarlane Robertson LDS entry for daughter of archibald and Christain Leckie Ewing will be named after her maternal grandmother Eleanora McFarlane who married William Leckie Ewing.
Interestingly it looks like George Robertson senior son's George and Archibald were both married in Scotland despite being born in London. (George married Mary Walker Gilkison was it Paisley I can't find my notes on that one) (Archibald married Christian Leckie Ewing in Kippen).
Just to clarify teh Hugh Moody Robertson.  He was the son of Archibald Robertson and Janet Moody chr 15 Oct 1790 Greenock. Had a brother John chr 27 July 1788 same place.  Still looking for another brother who would be called George and be our George Senior.  Hugh Moody would be young Archibald's uncle - unless I've missed something.
Must get ready for work - I'll be late.
Jo

Jo, I would never have found the connexion without your terrific research (not to mention MR's wonderful summaries and finds re Janet MOODY who m an Archibald ROBERTSON in 1787, and re Janet MOODY's father Hugh MOODY).  It is this Hugh MOODY who is the Ggfather of the Archibald ROBERTSON (who may, or may not, be connected to "our" ROBERTSONs) who married Christian Leckie EWING in 1849.

Incidentally, what I did for a start was look on Hugh Wallis's IGI middle names site for 'Leckie' or 'Ewing' as a middle name connected with the surname ROBERTSON (in Lanarkshire or Renfrewshire).  That's how I found William Leckie Ewing ROBERTSON b 30 Dec 1859.  There's also an Elizabeth Leckie ROBERTSON b 14 Jul 1850, parents Robert ROBERTSON and Janet FERGUSON who married in 1848 in the Gorbals.  I didn't follow them up.

I was aware of the Eleanora McFARLANE connexion but , as it happens, there are a couple of other Archibald ROBERTSONs around at the time (1850s or so) who married ladies, or had children with ladies, named MCFARLANE so ...

George ROBERTSON who married Mary Walker GILKISON in Port Glasgow in 1849 is certainly "our" Allan's uncle  - son of George snr and his wife Mary (Mary b Paisley).

But we have yet to prove that Archibald who married Christian Leckie EWING in 1849 (entries in both Kippen and Barony) was the same chap as Archibald, brother of the above George.  That's why I'm hoping someone will do a lookup - heaps of people must have the LDS 1881 census CD.  Unless and until we get that information we really can't accept this Archibald as "ours".

JAP

[Lesanne]

         Good morning people,
   So much done over night, well done all.
        Sun is shining here today.

   Have a good one. Lesanne.

[Manchester Rambler]

Although nobody has yet responded whether they think the Johnsons I found in 1861 are Charles wife Alice, it seems as though it could well be the family, so I'll be trying to continue these through 1881-1901 and see what we come up with.

Mary - I hoped someone else might have an opinion on this, seeing I was the one who suggested it might be a second marriage, so I'm possibly prejudiced!  But you certainly convince me.  Let's put the 2 families together for the sake of those who haven't followed this line:

1861 census

Charles Mackae Robertson  27,  b. Limehouse.  Unmarried, living with his mother

In a completely different household, Mary found:

Alice Johnson Wife Mar 23, b. Liverpool   no husband listed
Charles Johnson  Son 3, b. Liverpool
Jessie Johnson  daur 2, b. Liverpool
Alice M Johnson   6 months, b. Stepney

1871 census

Charles M Robertson  Head  Mar  47  b. London   Sailmaker
Alice Robertson  Wife Mar  47  b. Liverpool
Charles M Robertson  Son  18  b. Liverpool
Jessie Robertson  Dau 17  b. Liverpool
Alice M Robertson  Dau  14  b. Stepney
Helen E Robertson  Dau  10  b. Stepney
Agnes M Robertson  Dau 8  b. Hertfordshire
Lilias Robertson  Dau  5  b. Stratford.

Although the ages vary a bit, I don't think there's any doubt it's the same family.

Helen E  is probably the Ellen Emily Robertson christened by Charles Robertson and Alice in Stepney on 15 May 1864.  (IGI)  

According to the IGI, Charles McCrae Robertson (sic) and Alice had a son Hugh Moody Robertson in Stepney on 29 Mar 1869.  Perhaps he died young, because he doesn't seem to show up on the 1871 census - although I'm willing to be proved wrong!

For completeness, I will add that Mary has found 4 of the children in 1881, but no sign of Charles and Alice:

At a school in Hampshire, Alice Robertson (20) b. London, is assistant matron.  Helen Robertson (17), b. London and Agnes Robertson (14) b. Bushey, Herts, are scholars.

Lilias Robertson (13) b. London is at a different school in Cheshire.

NB The ages given in 1881 fit better with 1861 than 1871 - I don't think Charles knew how old his step-chidren were!

OK: I'm going to enter all this in my software - back shortly.

Rambler

[Paul E]

Great work, JAP and JoT!

Incidentally, what I did for a start was look on Hugh Wallis's IGI middle names site for 'Leckie' or 'Ewing' as a middle name connected with the surname ROBERTSON (in Lanarkshire or Renfrewshire). JAP

This Middle Names site sounds interesting - is it different from the general Hugh Wallis site and, if so, could you post a link?

cheers
Paul