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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #486 on: Monday 06 June 05 00:38 BST (UK) »
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Name George ROBERTSON Relationship Head Condition M Gender M Age 43 Occupation Rigger Birthplace Shetland Address 90 Dorrit St, Toxteth Park, Lancashire

Name Catherine ROBERTSON Relationship Wife Condition M Gender F Age 42 Occupation – Birthplace Scotland Address 90 Dorrit St, Toxteth Park, Lancashire

Name Elizabeth G. ROBERTSON Relationship Daur Condition U Gender F Age 12 Occupation Scholar Birthplace Liverpool, Lancashire, England Address 90 Dorrit St, Toxteth Park Lancashire

Name William C. ROBERTSON Relationship Son Condition U Gender M Age 7 Occupation Scholar Birthplace Liverpool, Lancashire, England Address 90 Dorrit St, Toxteth Park, Lancashire

Name Elizabeth MOODIE Relationship Mother Condition W Gender F Age 77 Occupation – Birthplace Scotland Address 90 Dorrit St, Toxteth Park, Lancashire
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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #487 on: Monday 06 June 05 00:46 BST (UK) »
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Name George ROBERTSON Relationship Head Condition M Gender M Age 43 Occupation Rigger Birthplace Shetland Address 90 Dorrit St, Toxteth Park, Lancashire

Name Catherine ROBERTSON Relationship Wife Condition M Gender F Age 42 Occupation – Birthplace Scotland Address 90 Dorrit St, Toxteth Park, Lancashire

Name Elizabeth G. ROBERTSON Relationship Daur Condition U Gender F Age 12 Occupation Scholar Birthplace Liverpool, Lancashire, England Address 90 Dorrit St, Toxteth Park Lancashire

Name William C. ROBERTSON Relationship Son Condition U Gender M Age 7 Occupation Scholar Birthplace Liverpool, Lancashire, England Address 90 Dorrit St, Toxteth Park, Lancashire

Name Elizabeth MOODIE Relationship Mother Condition W Gender F Age 77 Occupation – Birthplace Scotland Address 90 Dorrit St, Toxteth Park, Lancashire


George was born in shetland?? and no parish or island?   oh my. Thats like a needle in the haystack - a lotta islands up there.

Would Elizabeth Moodie be George's mother or more likely Catherines mother?

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #488 on: Monday 06 June 05 01:24 BST (UK) »
Was Claude Robertson (Alan's brother) ever married?

If yes, to whom was he married & did they have any kids? :)

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #489 on: Monday 06 June 05 05:08 BST (UK) »



Site down !-  couldn't do anything tonight - too pooped now.....!!
we're making it an easy morning for you MR ....!



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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #490 on: Monday 06 June 05 06:11 BST (UK) »
There is considerable duplication in these posts (Part One and Part Two) vis-a-vis earlier posts but I hope that it might be useful as a summary (and, boy, with 33 pages to date, have MR's summaries managed to save us all from nervous breakdowns!!).

GILKISON and WALKER families (Part One)

RootsChat and FamilySearch were both down so I thought I'd have a look in the 1841 census on FreeCEN for Mary Walker GILKISON, wife of "our" Allan's Uncle George ROBERTSON - and would also Google for the family.

This is not Allan's direct line but who knows where it might lead, or even whether it might assist us to find anything more on Allan's grandfather, George ROBERTSON who married Mary from Paisley.  And at least it does relate to "our" family!

I typed up some information but thought I'd better not fall into the trap of thinking that I was posting new information when it had already been posted.  So I've struggled through the whole 33 pages of the thread (!) only to come across all the wonderful GILKISON information which JoT found and posted back on pages 24/25/26.

So I'll try to put Jo's great information together with my information as a summary.

As it happens there were two (or perhaps three) persons named Mary Walker GILKISON of an appropriate age (one in 1821, one in 1830, the other?) in Port Glasgow - the name presumably traces back to a Mary WALKER who had married a David GILKISON (as you can imagine, GILKISON is a name with a heap of variable spellings).

Unfortunately the GILKISON/WALKER entries in the IGI are LDS submissions - but they look reliable.
David GILKISON married Mary WALKER, 10/18 Dec 1775, Irvine Ayrshire.
They had (all in Irvine Ayr) William 1777, Margaret 1779, Mary Parker 1783, Jacobina 1784, Archibald 1786, Elizabeth 1787, Robert 1791, James 1798, John 1801.

Also, unfortunately (see next section) there doesn't seem to be a David ...  But surely David who m Elizabeth WOOD (see below) is a son of David GILKISON and Mary WALKER?

Mary Walker GILKISON #1
Here is the earlier Mary Walker GILKISON (from JoT's post on page 24):
"Uncle George's wife Mary Walker Gilkison chr. 3 July 1821 in Port Glasgow.  Parents were David Gilkison and Elizabeth WOOD.  Hence the Wood in George's children's names."
David GILKISON married Elizabeth WOOD, 16 Oct 1815 in Port Glasgow (extracted IGI entry).
"Mary's siblings:"
All in Port Glasgow:
Elizabeth chr 24 Aug 1816
David chr 22 Aug 1817
David chr 4 June 1819
Mary Walker chr 3 Jul 1821
Janet chr 29 Nov 1822
John Wood GILKESON chr 19 Oct 1824
Margaret chr 3 Apr 1827
Isabella chr 16 Apr 1829
all from the IGI taken from parish records.

Here is the above family in the 1841 census on FreeCEN.
Glenhuntly, Port Glasgow (574/8/8/11)
David 55 Merchant b Scotland (not RFW)
Elizabeth 50 b RFW
David 20 Agent b RFW
(presumably this is the David GILKISON, b abt 1820 (i.e. aged ca 41) Port Glasgow, whom JoT listed as being a Visitor in George ROBERTSON's household in Toxteth Park, Liverpool in 1861.  JoT also listed David as "David Gilkison, George's brother in law in 1871:
David Gilkison head unmar. 61 West India merchant b. Port Glasgow
address - 2 Glenhuntley House Port Glasgow
Handy brother in law surely for a family of ships chandlers"
Could the age of 61 be a mistranscription for 51?)

Eliz 20 b RFW
Mary 15 b RFW
Janet 15 b RFW
Margt 13 b RFW
Isa 11 b RFW
2 servants

Mary Walker GILKISON #2
The later Mary Walker GILKISON was chr 3 Feb 1830 in Port Glasgow, daughter of Robert GILKISON and Eleanora BROWN (extracted entry from the IGI).  Robert and Eleanora married in Port Glasgow, 5 Jul 1819 (extracted IGI entry).  This seems to be the Robert b 1791, son of David GILKISON and Mary WALKER; and Eleanora the daughter chr 1792 in Port Glasgow, daughter of Richard BROWN and Eleanora BLAIR who married (LDS submission) in 1785 in Irvine Ayr.

Here is this family in the 1841 census from FreeCEN.

Wood Bank, Port Glasgow (574/1/1/8)
Robert 45 Merchant b Scotland (not Renfrewshire)
Eleanor 45 b RFW
David 13 b RFW
Mary 11 b RFW
2 servants

According to the IGI, Robert GILKISON and Eleanor BROWN had, all in Port Glasgow:
Robert chr 1820
Eleanora Blair chr 1821
Richard Brown chr 1825
David chr 1827
Mary Walker chr 1830

Mary Walker GILKISON #3?
Just to add a bit more confusion, there seems possibly to be yet another Mary Walker GILKISON!  A Mary Walker GILKISON (father John]/i] GILKISON) married a Robert Adam WHYTLAW, 6 Jun 1854, in Glasgow (extracted entry from the IGI).  I guess this Mary could well be an unrecorded daughter of John, 1801, son of David GILKISON and Mary WALKER.

The message is getting too long so will have to be divided!

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #491 on: Monday 06 June 05 06:40 BST (UK) »
To add to the Gilkison story:

Fairly certain the 2 Mary Walker Gilkison's are cousins, both named after their paternal grandmother.
David Gilkison and Mary Walker had Robert 1791, John 1801, William(1777) (LDS entries) and David.
Robert married Eleanora Brown and had Robert 1820, Eleanora Blair 1821, Richard Brown 1825, David 1827 and Maryy Walker 1830.
David married Elizabeth Wood and had teh cildren I've already listed.
I'll check LDS entries withe the parish records on scotslandpeople this evening.

Scottish naming tradition has it that (with some variations according to family):
1st son - paternal grandfather
2nd son - maternal grandfather
3rd son - father
1st daughter - maternal grandmother
2nd daughter -  paternal grandmother
3rd daughter - mother

Hence the 2 Mary Walker Gilkisons.
Do our Robertsons use a variation of this tradition?
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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #492 on: Monday 06 June 05 06:59 BST (UK) »
GILKISON and WALKER families (Part Two)

MORE GILKISON INFORMATION

There is information on the GILKISON family at:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~macfie/familyconnections.html

There was a Gilkison, Thompson and Company shipyard in Irvine, Ayrshire (the GILKISON was a James, Shipmaster of Ayr).

There are references to Robert GILKISON and Eleanora BROWN though not to David GILKISON and Elizabeth WOOD - though surely Robert and David are brothers.

As JoT said on page 26 (and quoted from that site):
'Just can't get away from the Gilkisons - too intriguing I'm afraid.  Just for background info.:
Fairly certain that Uncle George Robertson's wife Mary Walker nee Gilkison is a niece of the William and John mentioned below.  Elora is in Canada.
"Elora's name came from a more exotic and convoluted source. Captain (retired) William Gilkison founded the settlement in 1832. He was a cousin of John Galt whose namesake has since been changed to Cambridge. Gilkison's brother, also John, was also a captain. He had a ship called "The Ellora" which was named for the seventh and eighth century cave temples and sculptures at Ellora, 273 kilometres northeast of Bombay. William Gilkison named the village after his brother's ship."
In addition to that:
"It is believed that Robert  (1791) Gilkison's brother William Gilkison (1777) was best friend to John Galt, and is mentioned in the book titled "The GALTS", a Canadian Odyssey, (part 1 and Part 2) by H B Timothy (1977), as being buried in an unmarked grave close to the tombstone of the great  Mohawk  indian Chief Joseph Brant ."  '

GILKISON WILLS and CONTRACTS
(From JoT on page 25)
"Uncle George's wife Mary's father was David.  Considering the occupation of her brother David in the 1871 census I think this is reference to her father's will (only one in Port Glasgow):
David Gilkison 19 Dec 1856 merchant and shipowner in Port Glasgow will was dealt withy by Paisley court.
No more details I'm afraid without paying £5!!!
Surely George would have had to be from a worthy family for David to agree to the marriage?"

"A few refs to the Gilkisons and ships before I try to find any link from the Gilkisons to our Robertsons other than the marriage of Uncle George and Mary:

Post nuptial contract of marriage in 1840!!!!
James Gilkison, Shipmaster, later residing at Irvine, spouse of Isobell Montgomerie. An inventory as part of the contract put to Ayr Sheriff Court 19 Feb 1840.

Richard Brown Gilkison, Shipmaster in Port Glasgow thereafter in London. Inventory and will presented to Edinburgh Sheriff Court 8 Sept. 1860.

Robert Gilkison, Shipowner Residing at Port Glasgow. Will presented to Paisley Sheriff Court 21 Feb 1860"

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #493 on: Monday 06 June 05 07:30 BST (UK) »
Was Claude Robertson (Alan's brother) ever married?

If yes, to whom was he married & did they have any kids? :)

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We haven't found anything for Claude after the 1891 census - no marriage, no 1901 census entry.  No death either, so there's quite a bit to look for!  Has anyone looked for him on US passenger lists?

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« Reply #494 on: Monday 06 June 05 07:36 BST (UK) »
JAP & JoT (now why does that sound like a kids cartoon series? :))

Have just woken up and (a bit bleary eyed) read through your posts - amazing work!  I've had another go with Genes Reunited to see if we can tept some Gilchrist family followers to join us.

cheers

Paul


PS  Glad we haven't forgotten Claude!  There's not a single BMD reference for Claude on Ancestry