June 2005 RootsChat Challenge

[MaryA]

Needing help finding the Robertsons in 1871, have checked all the names in Wanstead (where they were in 1861), have looked at all the Charles Mac/Mck plus variants, have checked practically every soundex search with a born Limehouse, have checked every Mary of the age, born Scotland and have looked at every Hugh born 1869 and I'm defeated.  Have they all returned to Scotland?  Is there any way of checking the census there?

A possible marriage for Charles is to Alice Mary Lousdale 12 December 1865 Christ Church Cheltenham Gloucester but no confirmation, no parents listed, not even his mackae in the middle and I'm now goggle eyed.

Mary

[CatOne]

Needing help finding the Robertsons in 1871, have checked all the names in Wanstead (where they were in 1861), have looked at all the Charles Mac/Mck plus variants, have checked practically every soundex search with a born Limehouse, have checked every Mary of the age, born Scotland and have looked at every Hugh born 1869 and I'm defeated. Have they all returned to Scotland? Is there any way of checking the census there?

A possible marriage for Charles is to Alice Mary Lousdale 12 December 1865 Christ Church Cheltenham Gloucester but no confirmation, no parents listed, not even his mackae in the middle and I'm now goggle eyed.

Mary

Charles M Robertson in West Derby, Lancs with wife Alice and children (5 daughters, 1 son) I think, occ Sailmaker, age difficult to read, been transcribed as 41 but could be 7......RG10/3847 Folio 119 Page 6

[Manchester Rambler]

To summarise:

2 couples have been suggested as possible parents of George Robertson Sr.

1.  Archibald Robertson and Janet Moody - had children named John Robertson (1788) and Hugh Moody Robertson (1790).  No record of a child named George, but heavy coincidence of names - George Sr's first 3 sons are named George, Archibald and Hugh Moody.  The birthplace is Greenock.

2.  Robert Robertson and Elizabeth Buchanan -  had a son named George in 1791, plus James, Robert, Isobel, James, Elizabeth, Robert and John between 1794 and 1806.  The birthplace is Paisley.

We have a likely-looking marriage between George Sr and Mary Douglas in Paisley in 1819.  Mary was born in 1797 (fits census data), daughter of Colin Douglas and Elizabeth Buchanan.  Douglas crops up in the family as a first or second name in later generations.

So which couple do we think were George Sr's parents?  

Rambler

[Keziahemm]

Hi,

Found him living West Derby Lancashire  I hope  

RG10/3841 Folio 119 page 6

Charles M Robertson   Head  Mar  41   Sailmaker   b London Middlesex
Alice Robertson  wife  47  Lancashire Liverpool
Charles M  do  son  unm  18      do         do
Jessie        do   daur   17           do         do
Alice M Robertson  daur 14    b: Stepney London
Agnes M Robertson  daur  8   b:  Hertfordshire
Helen E Robertson  daur  10           do         do
Lilias Robertson  daur  5     b: Stratford, Middlesex

Susan  

added - thought I was typing faster 

[CatOne]

Possible death of Agnes Robertson?

West Derby, Lancs (living near her brother Charles then?)
Age 69 (age matches) Vol 8b Page 265 1901 December Qtr

[Paul E]

From the IGI (user submitted entry):

Douglas Muir Robertson

Born 9 January 1900, Liverpool Lancashire
Died 2 October 1942
Marriage 11 July 1928 - spouse unavailable
Parents: Alan Robertson and Charlotte Georgina Dale Muir (as if we didn't know!)

Searches for Douglas, Alan and Charlotte in the 1901 census have drawn a complete blank.

Were they in America or Scotland?

cheers

Paul

[Manchester Rambler]

Well done finding Charles Mackae and Agnes - those details look good to me.  I suggest Charles' wife is probably Alice Mary Lonsdale, and Lousdale is a mistranscription.

Here's George Jr's son Charles on Free BMD:

Births Dec 1855
Robertson  Charles Moody     Stepney  1c 517

Rambler

[Paul E]

Anyone got any views on this, from freebmd:

Birth of Allan Holmes Robertson, Toxteth Park, Sept Qtr 1899 - good timing for a first child for Allan and Charlotte (married on 14 July 1898)?

Don't think we've seen a Holmes cropping up anywhere up to now though, so this may be a wild red herring chase.

Paul

[MaryA]

Thank you for CatOne and Keziahemm ..... Kezia? You've been found then!  Please let Paul know, he's been very worried   you've set my mind at rest, about Charles and family although I never expected to find him in Liverpool, also a search five year each way of 47 nicely misses 41 doh! Poor Hugh has either been left behind again (yet another one!) or has died.    

Hmmmmmmm I've checked both scans and I don't think this is the family, much as I would like to believe it is.

In 1861 Charles was Unmarried and 27 years old.  In the space of 10 years he suddenly has a family with an 18 year old son and gained 4 - 10 years.  Once again we have a confusion of two families, both sailmakers and both born London and who knows whose child the missing Hugh is as both of them could possibly have been in the right place at the right time.  Trying to trace these in other years to discount them and I've found Lilias at boarding school in Cheshire in 1881 - these have GOT to be related, they keep leaving their chldren all around the country.  There's an Ellen Emily born to a Charles and Alice in St Thomas, Stepney in 1864, date is a little out for this Helen but ....

I need sleep ......