June 2005 RootsChat Challenge

[Paul E]

Thanks Paul - I'm fishing for my out-of-date A-Z as I type! 

Would this be a move out to a "nicer" suburb?  Or going down in the world?  I've no idea which areas around Liverpool would have been cheap/expensive, fashionable/unfashionable in the late 19th century. 

Both Claude and Allan were earning in 1891, although as an apprentice, Allan possibly didn't earn a lot.  They could afford a live-in servant, so weren't exactly on the breadline.

Interesting!

Rambler

I suspect downward mobility for Allan's mother, as in 1901 she's back in Toxteth, living with her daughter Margaret, aged 24, born Camberwell, Surrey.  They are living at 27 Ashbourne Road, Toxteth Park, Liverpool.

They are sharing a house with a widowed Eleanor Hughes, born Holyhead, Anglesey and Eleanor’s son Edward and daughter Elizabeth.

I would think the 1881 residence was the grandest, then its downhill through 1891 to 1901.

Paul

[Paul E]

WOW Pam!  That's great stuff there!

And I notice the Narrow Street address corresponds with what we have for George Robertson's Chandlery in the trade directory!

cheers

Paul

[Manchester Rambler]

Pam - great stuff here, which will be very interesting to follow up!  (I know it's sad really, but the body in the barrel of rum is brilliant! )

JAP - this Robertson family looks promising!  If we accept that James might be George and John's nephew, rather than brother (as suggested by MaryA), the "lack" of a James iisn't necessarily a problem.  I suggest it's definitely worth trying to find Archibald, Charles and Hugh, to see what happens to them, and what professions they follow.  That middle name Moody is perhaps more than a simple coincidence...

Rambler

[Burrow Digger]

BD

I still think she should look through the thread herself and then go from there - you could be doing a lot of work that she already either has or knows...
everybody is willing to do what needs to be done  - as she's the first one to come forward -  we'll just give her first dibs on what she wants - that sounds  pretty fair doesn't it ?

I went to bed before I read this post Annie.  It was like 2 am for me.  (6 am for your guys)  

Yes I did send Melinda another email suggesting that she join us because it would make communication much easier. I also mentioned that we were willing to help break down any brick walls she still has and that the first one we would try for is finding James Muir in Orkney.

BD

[Burrow Digger]

JAP - this Robertson family looks promising!  If we accept that James might be George and John's nephew, rather than brother (as suggested by MaryA), the "lack" of a James iisn't necessarily a problem.  Rambler

 I beleive I mentioned quite a while back that George was probably James' Uncle.    I was told that "NO the census proves that George, James & John are brothers."

BD

[Paul E]

Hey BD - shows just what a virtue patience is!

Paul

[Burrow Digger]

Alex's [Strachan Molison] 2 daughters Augusta Jane Molison and Mary Jean Marshall Molison married 2 brothers named Robertson. 

The Robertson father was a sailmaker for DDII.  Both the sons died early.

But then it looks like I wrong anyway. 

The above person who sent all that lovely info on Duncan Dunbar does say that the 2 Molison girls married 2 brothers - those brothers being John & James Robertson.   

Which means that James is not George's nephew. James might still be a half brother. And we also now know that their father was a sailmaker.


BD

[Boongie Pam]

I've asked the chap who teh sailmaker father is as we are all on them there hooks wanting to know.

[Biker]

Pam that info is incredible and so interesting along with all the other contributions it's turning into a stellar challenge!

Just to put the Narrow St address in perspective, click on Northey Street on this 1862 map - at the bottom of the map the road that runs right along the north side of the Thames is Narrow Street. It still exists somewhat intact.   As Pam says many of the Warehouses still exist (now luxury loft apartments!), cobbled streets and some lovely old pubs etc. (the Bunch of Grapes is good!) - it's just down the road from me   

http://www.motco.com/Map/81006/

Jonathan