June 2005 RootsChat Challenge

[Elizabeth Revel]

On consulting an 'Old Map' site I see that Rotherhithe appears to be slightly downstream from Camberwell and note living there---1881 census
Thomas J. Robertson Head M Male 53 West Indies Shipwright
Jessie Robertson Wife M Female 43 Holburn Middlesex
Thomas J. Robertson Son 22 Borough, Surrey Timber Merchant Clerk
Jessie R.A. Robertson Dau 19 Rotherhithe Surrey Teacher
Isobel E. Robertson Dau 17 Rotherhithe Surrey Scholar
Herbert C. Robertson Son 4 Rotherhithe Surrey

As a candidate for Alan's  Paternal Grandmother can I interest anyone in
 
Daniel Wane 65 Penrith ,Cumberland Physician
Maria W. Wane Wife 50 Scotland
Alene H. Wane Dau 25 London
 
Henriette B. Robertson 83 Mother in Law West Indies

Living 20 Grafton St. London.

Reading the summary I note that Allan Robertson on the later U.S. census has children born prior to the death of the first wife.The children are listed as Robertson. He could have adopted them but they would have been partly grown and is it probable that they would have given up their prior family name?

Elizabeth

[Boongie Pam]

You're the Scots expert tell us where we should be looking.........!

Annie

I'm 4 pages behind at the mo so sorry if we've well passed this point.  BUT we should be looking in London/Middlesex to find John, James, George's parents that's where they were born.  With the Molisons you can conjecture as it is a localised name but Robertson is too common. 

Anyway as a high note to by drowning pessimism here's a taster from a reply I got from a Molison Researcher related to this family.

9 Royal houses, Charlemagne, William the Conqueror, a wonderful fully verified tour de force of wonderful colourful history.   The Molisons are there, truly, the Davidsons, the Oliversons, Forsyths. Oh gosh, what a family.  All verified by the College of Arms.

Pam
 

[Burrow Digger]

Not sure whether anyone has found this yet as I've only just come across the challenge.  Allan and Charlotte's son Douglas died in 1842 according to IGI.  Confirmed from CWGC:

Commander (E) DOUGLAS MUIR ROBERTSON

H.M.S. Curacoa, Royal Naval Reserve
who died
on 02 October 1942
Husband of D.G.Robertson.
Remembered with honour
CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL

Jo

Yawwwwning  Good morning all - computer went on the fritz last night so I couldnt do anything to help.

Info about Douglas was posted way back on page 2 or 3 of this thread.

BD

[Boongie Pam]

Another snippet from the mail I received (still hoping you'll join   )

It said ...

You are looking at the Dunbar line, the greatest fleet ever assembled, more ships than the Royal Navy, and owned the most ships the RN deployed in the Crimean War.


Somebody has mentioned this on the thread already apparently and I can't remember where.  This quote is in response to say we had hit the nail on that company.

Pam
 

[Chattykathy]

Re:  Allan Robertson in 1930 US Census in Essex, NJ as "Superintendent in Cotton Mill"

Noting that census often understates or reduces to the lowest common denominator the profession,  this characterization of his profession is a bit under-achieving for what we are seeing in this family. 

Do you think the Crash of 1929/Depression wiped him out? 
Superintendent could imply a management position but it also could imply a labor position. 

Kathy

[Biker]

Lots of mentions in The Times in the 1840-50-60 of Molison Notice to Shippers.

This one might be interesting as it indicates the company name which appears frequently ...

For Bombay direct the splendid fast sailing ship Earl Grey.  A 1,750 tons, belonging to D. Dunbar and Sons of Limehouse. Alexander S Molison Commander loading at the East India Docks.  Has very superior accommodation for passengers and will carry an experienced surgeon.  For freight or passage contact Messrs R. Eglington and Co, Old Jewry Chambers or Henry Thompson and Co,  2 Cowpers Court, Cornhill.


The Times April 22, 1844

Jonathan

Also found this on the net ...

Duncan Dunbar - Aberdeen-built ships. Duncan Dunbar's line of Indiamen came
into the Australian trading in the 1830's with the ships Bussorah Merchant
and China (530 tons,) and the barques Duchess of Northumberland (541 tons),
EARL GREY (571 TONS), and Morayshire (316 tons).

Can look for more stuff in The Times if you like ...

Jonathan

[Biker]

Married

On the 18th inst. at the Greyfriars Elgin ..... James Molison Esq Commander of the ship Collingwood to Isabella Anne elder daughter of Osbert Forsyth Esq late of Clapham Rise.

The Times 23 July 1849

Jonathan

[Lesanne]

     
        Hi Guy's,
                  Did we get any interest back from the John Robertson Ltd, Timber Company.

                                  Sent a fax, from the shop, outlining our challenge.
                                         
                                            Lesanne.   

[Joanna Tolhurst]

Looking at Pallots baptism index for George Robertson born about 1820 with possible father George (assuming that the George Robertson Ships Chandler listed in 1829 is connected to Allan's uncle George who was ships Chandler in 1861):

1817 St Annes Soho, George Robertson baptised, parents George and Mary.  IGI gives date as 27 Apr. 1817

George and Mary also had:
John chr. 24 Jan 1819
Mary ann Chr 31 March 1822
Elizabeth Jane chr 5 Feb 1830
William chr. 8 Jan 1832
All at St Annes.

There was a George Robertson baptised 1820, also at st Annes Soho, parents James and Ann.  IGI gives the chr. date as 13 March 1820.  They also chr. James william at st Annes 16 July 1821.

Jo