June 2005 RootsChat Challenge

[Manchester Rambler]

Have we established that no-one was in Liverpool in the 18thC? cos I have a copy of the 1766 directory for Liverpool... is there anyone I can look for in there?

Looking at the birthplaces of the Robertson brothers' children, it would seem that George came to Liverpool around 1856.  John's children were all born in Bromley pre-1865, and his widow was in Liverpool in 1871.  James' children were born Peckham/Camberwell pre-1877, and his widow was in Liverpool by 1881.  We haven't established any earlier connection to Liverpool.

I agree that we need to keep an eye open for Robertson/Robinson confusion on censuses, but I think trade directories will almost certainly have the correct company name.

Kathy - Allan and Charlotte's known ancestors as of yesterday are posted on the SUMMARIES thread, and I'm about to start an update.

Rambler

[emilysiobhan]

Hi,

I found this on the CORNELL/CORNWELL/CORNWALL Query Page.  I have sent an e-mail to the person submitting this information and have given them the links to see what we are doing.

CORNELL, Rev. Thomas Vial, born about 1825 in England, m. Eliza Wilson Molison on 21 Sep. 1848 at St Dunstan, Stepney. She was the daughter of Alexander Strachan Molison of Morant Cottage, Blackheath Rd, Greenwich, Co. Kent, whose 1878 will appointed Cornell as his executor. Looking for anyone with knowledge of this Cornell line or especially the Molisons.

Hopefully they will join in.

Sue

I was wondering how Eliza Wilson Molison could have been born and married in 1848.....but I've now found the marriage on the freeBMD:

Cornell Thomas V
Molison Eliza Wilson W. Ham 4a 115 Dec 1874

Whoever entered them on the Cornell webiste must be as good at typing as me as Thomas seems  to have been born in 1850ish rather than 1825 according to the 1881 census:

Lower House Fownhope, Herefordshire
Thomas V Cornell bn Wethersfield, essex
Eliza W Cornall bn Stepney
plus two servants

[Lesanne]

  Hi Rambler,
       Could you put me in the direction of your summary.

        Got a biiig wedding to do and I'm going cross-eyed trying to keep up,
          in between tapes and wires.
   
                                                 Thanks.  Lesanne.

[Paul E]

Here's Rambler's last summary, Lessane

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,62822.0.html

Paul

[Manchester Rambler]

I'm struggling with Charlotte's grandfather, James William King.  We have 2 possible sets of parents for him:

James Martin King and Margaret Leslie Forte
OR
James Sedgwick King and Jaham Despray.

James William's children are

Margaret Elizabeth King
Samuel Forte King
James William King
Robert King
Ann Sedgwick King
Nathaniel Forte King

So which couple do we go for?

Rambler

[MaryA]

1891 to follow up:  
RG12/2929 Toxteth Park Folio 56 Page 2
37 South Hill Road, Toxteth Park
George Robertson Head Wid 71 Ships Chandler Employer Middlesex London
Charles Moodie " Son S 35               "                  Employer  " "
Augusta Jane " Sister in Law 57                            " Stepney
Augusta " Neice 30                                                " Bow
Mary Douglas " " 26                                               " "
Eliza Goat Serv S 21 Servant Domestic Cheshire Birkenhead

and 1901
37 South Hill Road, Toxteth Park
George Robertson Head Widr 81 Ships Chandler and Sailmaker Employer London Limehouse
Charles W " Son S 45 Ship Chandler and Sailmaker Employer London Limehouse
Augusta " Niece S 40 Shop "                             "            London Bromley
Mary D " Neice S 36                                                                      "        "
Elizabeth Byrne Servant S 30 Cook Domestic Worker Lancashire Liverpool
Jane Palin Servant S 20 Housemaid Domestic Worker Cheshire Winsford

Well if anybody would have inherited the business it would seem to have been Charles - he must have been made a partner at some stage as he is noted as "Employer" and not employed.  

Of the John's and George's deaths in the Liverpool area it would be difficult to know if any were "our" ones as we haven't seen them since 1861 but also no sign of them in the censuses either.  Of those listed in the Toxteth Park district none appear to be the right age.  I hoped the middle name of "Wood" would have helped the search in BMD's.  Wonder if they also went abroad?  
Still think my David might be the one who returned to London.

This might have been found before:
Death: Augusta Jane Robertson June qtr 1897 Toxteth Park 8b 180

No death entries found for George, Charles, Augusta or Mary Douglas Robertson after 1901.  

They have been at South Hill Road for quite a while, I wonder if it's still there?  

Found their place of business:
Kelly's Directory of Liverpool & Birkenhead 1894 (Part 1 Liverpool)
Robertson George & Sons, Sail Makers, 31 Strand Street
Robertson Charles Moodie, Sail Maker, see Robertson George & Sons. Res. 37 South Hill Road.

Still at 31 Strand Street in 1900. - Making further enquiries of friends who may have later Trade Directories.

If I get time this afternoon I'll take a quick trip into town and see if either of these places are still standing - I have my doubts about the Strand Street, think its under a fitness centre.

Mary

[Joanna Tolhurst]

Not sure whether anyone has found this yet as I've only just come across the challenge.  Allan and Charlotte's son Douglas died in 1842 according to IGI.  Confirmed from CWGC:

Commander (E) DOUGLAS MUIR ROBERTSON

H.M.S. Curacoa, Royal Naval Reserve
who died
on 02 October 1942
Husband of D.G.Robertson.
Remembered with honour
CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL

Jo

[Manchester Rambler]

Mary - Great job, we now have George's family well-organised.  I'm sure you're right about David, and as Charles has apparently gone into the family firm, the odds are that older brother George died. 

It also confirms Charles' middle name as Moodie - it's transcribed as Wood, Word, Mood and Moddie in different places!

Rambler

[Manchester Rambler]

Another possible child for Allan and Charlotte:

Births Sep 1909
ROBERTSON  Richard Dale     Toxteth Park  8b 219

Rambler