June 2005 RootsChat Challenge

[Manchester Rambler]

Paul - your James Douglas Robertson on census is certainly the right time frame, but his father is too young to be the father of George (b. 1820).  These brothers are causing problems!

Kathy - more potentially related families!  How can we fit them together?

MaryA - keep looking for those brothers!  The problem with their wide spread of birth dates is that we might be looking for the same father, but different mothers.

Burrow Digger - native Carribean ancestry?  That would be a nice twist!  It would be a fair way back, so perhaps sufficiently diluted to fool the Park Lane Hotel?

Well done everyone for digging up potential contacts - hope we get some feedback!  Will check back in couple of hours after running the shuttle service to kids' music lessons/gym club/aikido - they deserve it after picking Allan for us!

Rambler

[liverpool annie]

Do we have an Alexander Robertson or was that the other family
Anyways I've found an Alexander in Canada.................. I was looking for Claude really Paul.... !!!

Alexander Fraser Robertson
B:   13 Mar 1862
London, [county]
D:   19 Jan 1900
Blenheim, Kent, ON, Canada

Married
21 Aug 1886 in Toronto, [county], ON, Canada
Anna Maud Willson
Birth: 26 Aug 1861 in Blenheim, Kent, ON, Canada
Death: 6 May 1947 in Harwich, Kent, ON, Canada   
   
Children   
Lynn Willson Robertson   M   16 Nov 1888 in Toronto, [county], ON, Canada   
John Ross Robertson   M   16 Oct 1894 in Blenheim, Kent, ON, Canada   



Annie

[Chattykathy]

Well,   here are some more interesting flies in the ointment -- these are some "travelling" families   ---  and another Canada connection too!

1920 US Census
Allan C. Robertson   Note: Middle Initial C  and G. previously noted/Questioned
Age: 47 
Est birth year: 1873
Birthplace: Scotland      M/F:  Scotland
Race: White
Profession:  Marine Surveyor
Home in 1920: Hempstead, Nassau, New York
Year of immigration:    1900
Wife Marion   47 b. 1873  Scotland   M/F: Scotland   (could go by “Mary”)
Dau, Isabell   15 b. 1905 in New York
Son, Eugene  13 b. 1907 in New York
Dau, Mary      10 b. 1910 in Washington  (State or DC ??)
Son, Thomas   4 b. 1916  in Canada Immigration year:  1919
Roll:  T625_1127
Page: 20B
ED:    17
Image: 536

1920 US Census
Thomas A Robertson
Age:  44 
Est birth year:  abt 1876
Birthplace:  England
Race: White
Home in 1920:  Manhattan, New York, New York,  on West 44th Street
Business Address:  555 W. 42nd Street
Profession:  Cart & Apron Supplier
Wife Sara E  45 b. 1875 Eng  M/F:  Eng  Immi.  Year:  1899
Son, Arthur  19  b. 1901 Boston  Profession:  Travelling, on a visit
Dau, Doris G.  14  b. 1906  England  Immigration Year:  1905
Son, Thomas G.  10  b. 1910  New York
Roll :T625_1193
Page: 2B
ED: 404
Image:250

kathy

[liverpool annie]

Got onto a tombstones in Barbados site and found these 

Last Name   Other Names   Date of Birth   Date of Death   Site
ROBERTSON    ELIBTH      .... ... 24   Westbury Cemetery
ROBERTSON    J.      1852 Nov   St. Matthias
Notes: HMS'Dauntless', yellow fever, 34th Reg, 69th Reg St. Thomas

don't know if the 1852 Nov is birth or death date ...

Annie

[liverpool annie]

What part of Scotland again

Daniel Robertson: (1733 - 1810)
     
Daniel was born in Dunkeld, Scotland in 1733. In 1754 Daniel was appointed Surgeons mate of the 42nd Foot Reg't. and in June of that year he was transfered with the reg't. to Albany, N.Y. In 1760 he was at the capture of Montreal and about this time, married Marie-Louise Reaume (widow of Joseph Fournerie de Vezon). By 1782 he was commanding the newly built British fort on Mackinac Island.
     
Daniel & Marie-Louise's children were, Margaret (b.abt.1781) (m.Donald Sutherland), Elizabeth (m. Louis-Hypolite Hertel), Charlotte (m.Dr.John Farries) & John (m. Miss Christy in 1794).
     
By 1787 Daniel had left the British Army and was operating a tavern on Mackinac Is. and about this time freed his slaves Jean & Marie Bonga (from the West Indies) whose decendents were involved in the fur-trade and married into the Ojibwe tribe in Lake Superior country. He died in Montreal on 5 April 1810.

[Chattykathy]

This looks to be Alexander C. and Marian who were in Nassau Co., NY (Long Lisland) in 1920:  Note another dau listed

1930   Rockville Centre, Nassau, New York   (Long Island suburb of NYC)  Cleveland Avenue
A. C. Robertson  Head   
Age:  57
Est birth year:  abt 1873
Birthplace:  Scotland   Immig. Year:  1898    M/F: b. Scotland
Profession:  Marine Surveyor
Race:  White
Spouse's Name:  Marian Robertson  57  <1873) b. in Scot.  MF: b. Scot  Immi: 1900
Dau, Isabel 25 b. New York  No Profession
Dau, Jane 23 b. in New York  Stenographer
Dau, Mary 20 b. Washington  Nurse  Trained/Training ??
Son, Thomas 14 b. Ontario, Canada  Immi. 1919
Image source: Year: 1930; Census Place: Rockville Centre, Nassau, New York; Roll: 1459; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 72; Image: 393.0.


1930  Thomas and Sara & Family  who were in Manhattan 1920  (Cart & Apron Supplier) can’t find them



1930  Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Wm A Robertson  Head
Age:  50
Est birth year:  abt 1880   Birthplace:  Canada   M/F b. in Scotland
Wife - Sarah Robertson  56     b. in Canada  M/F:  Canada
No Children or other s living in household
Profession:   Chief  something something  (can’t read)
Image source: Year: 1930; Census Place: Brooklyn, Kings, New York; Roll: 1521; Page: 3B; Enumeration District: 1338; Image: 584.0.

Not sure about above Wm. A. but since we have a Canadian link going thought better to include/discard than not.

Are we getting too all over the place?   Hard to tell with a family so geographically diversified.

kathy
   

[Chattykathy]

I'm confused about where in Scotland Robertson's may originate also.   Tried to IGI search for any connections between

Alexander  b. 1834 Scot w/ wife Isabella
John           b. 1843 Scot w/ wife Clara
Allan C.      b. 1873 Scot w/ wife Marion/Marian

as well as Thomas A.   b. 1876 Eng w/ wife Sara


but hundred and hundred of possibilities and I'm lost on likely location.   Not a Scot, you know......

kathy

[liverpool annie]

Wouldn't this be something - and he was born in Rodney St Liverpool !!!

Name   William Ewart Gladstone
Birth Date   December 29, 1809
Death Date   May 19, 1898
Place of Birth   Liverpool, England
Nationality   English
Gender   Male
Occupations   politician, prime minister, member of parliament


William Gladstone was born in Liverpool on Dec. 29, 1809. His parents were of Scottish descent. His father, Sir John Gladstone, was descended from the Gledstanes of Lanarkshire; he had moved to Liverpool and become a wealthy merchant. William's mother, Anne Robertson of Stornaway, was John Gladstone's second wife, and William was the fifth child and fourth son of this marriage.

Annie

[Chattykathy]

Blimey! Annie  ---  you are so right ---  what a big deal this would be  ---  but let's not get too excited until homework done on Anne Robertson. 

Wondering if Robertson was Anne's maiden name or from a previous marriage and if she had previous children?

Stupid question from a Yank--  where is Stornaway?

GREAT find!  Really exciting if it works its way through this maze we are in.

kathy