June 2005 RootsChat Challenge

[Manchester Rambler]

Not bad for less than 12 hours!  What do we have so far?

Allan was born c1872 in Camberwell.

Siblings: Claude (c1867) and Margaret (c1876)

Parents: James Robertson and Mary Marshall.  (IGI extracted record for Claude's birth.  

Question! Was Mary's maiden name Marshall, or should we be looking for Mary Marshall XXX, as it's not usual British practice for a wife to use her maiden name as her own middle name after marriage - census returns give her (married) name as Mary M Robertson.

The family moved from Camberwell to Liverpool (which is/was in Lancashire).

James Robertson had a brother George (ships chandler) and another brother whose wife was called Augusta J XXX.

Allan married Charlotte Georgina Dale Muir, and had a son, Douglas Muir Robertson who was killed in WW2.

Charlotte died in Texas in 1913 (IGI)

Allan travelled to the US in 1919.

Allan died in Liverpool in 1842.

On with the search!

Rambler

[Paul E]

Just been looking for information on chandlers, and it seems Stepney (incuding Limehouse) had a host of them. 

Came across this interesting snippet on GENUKI (by way of a diversion):

The Stepney Poor-law Union comprises the parishes of Limehouse, Ratcliffe, Shadwell, and Wapping, Mile-End Old Town having its own establishment. All children born at sea are supposed to belong to Stepney, according to the old rhyme

 "He who sails on the wide sea,
Is a parishioner of Stepney."

In consequence pauper's born at sea have been sent here from all parts of the country, but the recent decisions of the superior courts refuse to establish this traditional law. See also articles London, and the parishes enumerated above as once included in Stepney.

From the 1868 National Gazetteer

Paul

[Biker]

1861 (might be a red herring) but ... (says Robinson on the page)

10 Mornington Road, Bromley, Middx (Poplar)

John Robinson 26 Limehouse, Middlesex, England Head 
Jane Robinson 27 Stepney, Middlesex, England Wife 
Geo Anglis?? Robinson 1 Bromley, Middlesex, England Son 
Augusta Robinson 2 Bromley, Middlesex, England Daughter 
Mary Marshal Robinson 17 Limehouse, Middlesex, England Sister-in-law 
Eliza Taylor 21 Hertford, Hertfordshire, England Servant 
Jane Buster 21 Stepney, Middlesex, England Servant 

John is a Sail Maker and Ships Chandler.

Mary Marshal Robinson it states is Single 

RG9/302
Folio:    194 
Page:    17 

jonathan

[emilysiobhan]

The Augusta Robinson would fit with the one thats a niece in 1881 and maybe the Augusta J Robertson from 1881 was Augusta Jane?

I have been wondering why Claude Robertson seems to have been born in Camberwell, but christened in Stepney? And then the later children born again in Camberwell?

[Manchester Rambler]

I think you may be on to something here Jonathan - there's maybe some detail that's wrong, but Sail Maker/Ships Chandler is a strong link.  Did you notice that Charlotte Muir's father was a Sail Maker?  I get the impression we've found a maritime dynasty!

MR

[Paul E]

Yes, Jonathan's find of Augusta rang a bell with me - then it clicked it was DebbieD's posting of the 1881.  Looks like the same person.

Still looking for Claude in 1871 - maybe he's under a middle name?

Paul

[Biker]

1871 a very interesting family if this is them ... first time for James on the census?

Peter St, Claremont?, Harlow, Essex

Alexandria?? S Molison abt 1803  Scotland Head  
Sarah Ann abt 1837  London, Middlesex, England Wife  
Molison abt 1871  Harlow, Essex, England Son  
Eliza Wils Molison abt 1848  London, Middlesex, England Daughter  
Louisa Helen Molison abt 1869  London, Middlesex, England Daughter  
James Robertson abt 1843  London, Middlesex, England Visitor  
Mary Marl Robertson abt 1844  London, Middlesex, England Visitor  
plus 4 servants

Alexandria (Alexander?) is a Ship Owner
James is a Commercial Clerk.

The Mary Marl bit is Mar with a superscript l.
James and Mary noted as married.


RG10/1641
Folio:    63  
Page:    3  

Jonathan

[Manchester Rambler]

Here's George Robertson's family in 1861, living in Toxteth Park, Liverpool:

RG9/2707 - Folio 69 - Pg 31

George Robertson abt 1820  London, Middlesex, England Head  
Mary Walker Robertson abt 1822  Port Glasgow, Scotland Wife  
George Wood Robertson abt 1852  London, Middlesex, England Son
David Robertson abt 1854  London, Middlesex, England Son  
Charles Wood Robertson abt 1856  London, Middlesex, England Son  
John Wood Robertson abt 1858  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son  
David Gilkison abt 1820  Port Glasgow, Scotland Visitor  
Mary Ann Jones abt 1840  Mold, Wales Servant  
Sarah Catherine Money abt 1838  Monaghan, Ireland Servant  
Alice Jane Wilford abt 1838  Doncaster, Yorkshire, England Servant  

So this part of the family moved from London to Liverpool between 1856 and 1858.

The name Robertson is more common in Scotland than England - we seem to have a Scottish connection here.  

MR

[Manchester Rambler]

From Free BMD:

Marriages Jun 1866

Molison  Mary M
Robertson  James

Stepney  1c 1056

2 other people on the same page of course, but this ties in Jonathan's Molison family in 1871 where James and Mary M Robertson are listed as visitors.  I think we definitely have Allan's parents here.

Rambler