June 2005 RootsChat Challenge

[Paul E]

Douglas M Robertson married Daisy G Barr in Portsmouth on 11 July 1928.

The 1901 census has seven Daisy Barrs (thank goodness Daisy was a new-ish name then!) and only one Daisy G Barr:

At 14 Grange Terrace, Station Road, Wood Green, London

Arthur Barr, Head, 29, Grocers' Manager, Liverpool
Margaret Barr, Wife, 30 , Liverpool
Daisy G Barr, Daur, 2, Liverpool
Hilda M Barr, 2mths, London Wood Green

So - a recent move to London for the Barrs, or perhaps Margaret returned home to have Hilda?

Paul

NB
Marriage of Arthur Stock Barr to Margaret Howard in Sept Qtr of 1897 in West Derby, Liverpool

(Now isn't Stock a lovely name for a Grocer?

[Paul E]

Looking for the Barrs in 1891, we find them in West Derby, Liverpool...

Father of Arthur is a retired Grocer, also Arthur (57, born Scotland)
and his mother is Elizabeth, (47, born Canada), shown with children Margaret 25, Arthur S 19, Archibald JR 13, Alice E 10, Gertrude 8 - all born Liverpool.

So, Douglas marries into a family of Grocers originating in Scotland, who move to Liverpool and then London.  (Could we write the script? - if so, then lets leave a part for 'JR'  )

cheers

Paul

Looking at the 1881 census, its actually Archibald JK - shame!

[Joanna Tolhurst]

I did have a quick look at the 1881 Scotland yesterday evening for Archibald and Christain Robertson to no avail.  Will have another go this evening.
Love the Hamilton Robertson connection - brilliant work.
Jo

[Nessie]

Gro Vol 475 Eun dis1 page 13

Ballandorch Mansion House, Campsie Stirling.

Arichibald Robertson head Banker age 60 born greenock Glasgow.

Christine wife age 52 born Glasgow.

Eleanor Mc F dau age 29 born Kippen Glasgow.

Janet G daug age 19 born Glasgow.

helen M dau age 18 born Glasgow.

Plus six servants,

[Joanna Tolhurst]

Found this just before saw 1881 entry just posted - it refers to the house Archibald was in in 1881.  But with him being born Glasgow !!!!!!!!!


The next laird was his eldest son, John M'Farlan, a surgeon in Edinburgh. He married Janet Buchanan Ewing, daughter of Robert Ewing, merchant in Glasgow, and Isabella Leckie, of the old family of Leckies of Croy Leckie and Broich in the county of Stirling, and he died in 1852. (2)
The family connection was further strengthened by the marriage of John M'Farlan's eldest sister Eleanora to William Leckie Ewing of Arngomery in the county of Stirling, and who more than once occupied the mansion house and shootings of Ballancleroch for a considerable time.

Mr. Leckie Ewing was a well known Glasgow merchant, a member of the old firm of Stirling Gordon & Co., and for many years, in connection with his partners, John Gordon of Aikenhead, Charles Stirling of Cadder, and Charles Stirling of Gargunnock, took a leading part in the politics of Glasgow and the West of Scotland on the Tory or Conservative side. He formed one of the deputation who went to Drayton Manor to invite Sir Robert Peel to a public banquet in Glasgow in 1837 on the occasion of his installation as Lord Rector of the University. He died in 1866. His eldest daughter married Archibald Robertson, cashier of the Royal Bank in Glasgow, and another daughter is the wife of Michael Connal, a very well known and esteemed citizen of Glasgow.


From http://gdl.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/smihou/smihou006.htm

Jo

[JAP]

Nessie, thank you very much indeed for that!

But what a disappointment!  I was really hoping that Archibald the banker would be "ours" as it would virtually have proven the link of "our" family to Archibald ROBERTSON and Janet MOODY (daughter of Hugh MOODY).  But it was not to be!  Of course, it hasn't disproven such a link - circumstantial evidence is still strong given the use in "our" family of the forenames 'Hugh Moody' - but it would have been great to have it confirmed.  (Though a birthplace given as Kippen Glasgow - for Eleanor - doesn't give one much faith in the birthplaces!  But they surely wouldn't get both age and birthplace wrong.)

Ah well, back to the drawing board.

Thanks again Nessie.

JAP
PS: Jo, it's hard to keep up with this thread!  We had the relevant part of the quote from the Ballancleroch site back on p39 - it was how we knew that Archibald ROBERTSON the cashier, Ggson of Hugh MOODY, was the same chap as the Archibald ROBERTSON who married Christian Leckie EWING.

[JAP]

Just to tie up the possible descent of Archibald ROBERTSON the Cashier/Banker, Ggson of Hugh MOODY.

Looking at the names of the children of Archibald the Cashier in terms of Scottish naming practices (which I should have done earlier and it would have struck warning bells) - the 1st son of Archibald the Cashier and his wife Christian was John Aeneas ROBERTSON (presumably named after Archibald's father, John) and their second daughter was Elizabeth Morrison ROBERTSON (presumably named after Archibald's mother, Elizabeth MORRISON).

Sure enough, it looks as though Cashier Archibald was a son of John ROBERTSON and Betsey/Betsy/Betty MORRISON.  John ROBERTSON who married Betsy presumably the son chr 1788 in Greenock of Archibald ROBERTSON and Janet MOODY - Janet the daughter of Hugh MOODY.  So this would make Cashier Archibald the son of John ROBERTSON, grandson of Archibald ROBERTSON, and Ggson of Hugh MOODY.

John ROBERTSON married Betsey MORRISON 6 Sep 1819 (records in Glasgow and Greenock).  They had:
- Archibald (unfortunately this is an LDS submission) b 20 Sep 1820 Glasgow
- Janet 1822 Glasgow
- Hugh 1824 Barony
- John Wallace 1825 Barony
- Georgina Susannah 1827 Barony
- James 1829 Barony
- Kenneth Stuart 1830 Barony

The 1881 age and birthplace of Archibald the Cashier tie in exactly with those of Archibald b Sep 1820 in Glasgow - and the names of his children (1st son and 2nd daughter) tie in with his being the son of John ROBERTSON and Betsy MORRISON ...

JAP

[Manchester Rambler]

Archibald Robertson, cashier

Well done JAP - with the similar names used in all branches of the Robertson family, this was a real puzzle. 

Will have a proper look at the new info later - just back from the doctor with my 2nd son (sports injury!), and about to feed the horde before taking youngest daughter to a friend's birthday outing...

Good hunting!

Rambler

[CatOne]

Birthdate right with BVRI for Archibald, JAP, and birthdate for Janet is 21/08/1822. Others arent on my (2nd ed) BVRI

I know the name McFarlane cropped up earlier, so do these fit in with ours anywhere?

Margaret (b.1819), John (b.1822) and Elizabeth (b.1823) to parents John Robertson and Elizabeth McFarlane
Abbey (Paisley) Renfrewshire
(cant find a marriage for the parents though)