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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #621 on: Tuesday 07 June 05 14:19 BST (UK) »
I have the 1851 image now, and I think it maybe has Helen on it..
As far as I can make out the family is:
George age 55 Head Ship chandler and sailmaker bn Scotland
Mary age 53 wife bn Scotland
Helen? age 31 daughter unmarried
Hugh M age 22 son prof cl?(chandler??)
Agnes age 21 daughter
Charles X? son 17 proffesion Cl?
John age 16 son...scholar
Mary? age 13 daughter....at home(scholar at home?)
Janet age 11 daugt  at home
James age 8 son   at home
then on the next page:
Robert A? Ewing visitor age 20 prof. Cl born Scotland
+ three servants
Emily

Just in case anyone hasn't caught up with who Robert EWING is likely to be ...
If our hypotheses are correct, then Archibald b 1825, a son of the above George ROBERTSON and wife Mary, had married - in 1849 in Scotland - Christian Leckie EWING, a daughter of William Leckie EWING and Eleanora MCFARLANE.
Among the other children of William Leckie EWING and Eleanora MCFARLANE was a Robert EWING, b 1830 in Barony, Lanarkshire, Scotland - very likely to be the Robert EWING in the census above.

Interesting to see Helen turning up!

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #622 on: Tuesday 07 June 05 14:26 BST (UK) »
Free BMD has possible births for Colin's children:
Sep qtr 1849:  ROBERTSON  George     Poplar  2 318/319  (2 entries)
Sep qtr 1854:  ROBERTSON  Hannah Mary     St. Geo. H. Sq.  1a 180 
Sep qtr 1856:   ROBERTSON  Henry Douglas     Marylebone  1a 438
All different reg. districts, so I'm not sure, but Henry Douglas looks a good bet.
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Rambler, Henry Douglas ROBERTSON's birthplace is given in the 1881 census as Marylebone; George's as Stratford le Bow (Genuki says that Poplar included Bow - also known as Stratford le Bow).

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #623 on: Tuesday 07 June 05 14:27 BST (UK) »
Thank you Sue (Oracle) for your look ups, lovely to see Helen in there.

Just having a little delve in lunchtime, still looking at Charles family but now this has got me thinking.

Extracted
Jessie RobertsonJohnson b 17/11/58 C 28/5/1861 St Peter Liverpool
Alice Maud Johnson b 1/10.1860 C 27/5/1861 St Peter Liverpool
Parents Charles Johnson and Alice.

I've no idea what this means, but I don't like it!  These Robertsons certainly like to confuse us...  I was convinced we had Charles Mackae's family sorted, but this puts the cat among the pigeons , doesn't it?  (Or herrings if you prefer.)  Yuk!  ??? ??? ???

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ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #624 on: Tuesday 07 June 05 14:28 BST (UK) »
Rambler, Henry Douglas ROBERTSON's birthplace is given in the 1881 census as Marylebone; George's as Stratford le Bow (Genuki says that Poplar included Bow - also known as Stratford le Bow).

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Thanks JAP - as a true northerner, I know zip about London districts, and you've saved me having to look them up!  ;D

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ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #625 on: Tuesday 07 June 05 14:35 BST (UK) »
Thank you Sue (Oracle) for your look ups, lovely to see Helen in there.
Just having a little delve in lunchtime, still looking at Charles family but now this has got me thinking.
Extracted
Jessie RobertsonJohnson b 17/11/58 C 28/5/1861 St Peter Liverpool
Alice Maud Johnson b 1/10.1860 C 27/5/1861 St Peter Liverpool
Parents Charles Johnson and Alice.

Mary A, I hadn't seen those but something I did notice on FreeBMD earlier today but didn't mention was the following birth:
Charles Robertson Johnson, births Jun qtr 1857, Liverpool
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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #626 on: Tuesday 07 June 05 14:54 BST (UK) »
my great grandfather, Reginald Luckock Muir disappeared and the family never knew what happened to him. It seems he did come to the USA, maybe with a brother but no one in the family knows what became of him. There was something about a bad investment in a mine in the United States (having borrowed money from a brother in England).  His wife and 3 children (including my grandfather) moved to the USA on their own before he did, I think.  We have no info of there ever being a divorce but wonder if he married again anyway and may have had other children.  He may have died in the US but we can't find a death record. My father and his brother and sister and I have all tried to find some record of Reginald but can't.  

I'm sure someone found a death record for Reginald Lucock Muir in this thread but I can't find it.  Did I imagine it?  ???

Welcome to Rootschat Sedona, let's hope we can solve this family mystery for you.

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #627 on: Tuesday 07 June 05 15:04 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that birth ref JAP, doesn't it seem strange how all of these Johnsons have added about 4 years each onto their ages by 1871?  Nice to have a birth record to go by.

Allan send me a pm with your email addy and I'll send you a copy of my Word doc of this thread, it should make it easier to search for something.  I won't be home for a few hours though.

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #628 on: Tuesday 07 June 05 15:16 BST (UK) »
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Dec qtr 1859 - JOHNSON  Alice Mary    Stepney  1c 514

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Jessie RobertsonJohnson b 17/11/58 C 28/5/1861 St Peter Liverpool
Alice Maud Johnson b 1/10.1860 C 27/5/1861 St Peter Liverpool

I wonder if we'll ever find out which is our young Alice  ???

I don't like this middle name Robertson popping up in the Johnsons either, I really don't think that Alice was a Robertson since she was born too early in Liverpool ..... the other possibility is that Charles was born on the wrong side of the blanket and father was  :o Robertson?

Any other speculations?

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #629 on: Tuesday 07 June 05 15:17 BST (UK) »

We have had this before I think.......!!??? The Gilchrists are on here ....... !!

1881

Mary Barrow MUIR Relationship Daur (Head) Condition U Gender F Age 19 Occupation – Birthplace London, London, Middlesex Address 20 Linnet Lane, Toxteth Park, Lancashire

James E. MUIR Relationship Son (Brother) Condition U Gender M Age 15 Occupation Scholar Birthplace Ceylon, India Address 20 Linnet Lane, Toxteth Park, Lancashire  

Charlotte G. MUIR Relationship Daur (Sister) Condition – Gender F Age 13 Occupation Scholar Birthplace At Sea Address 20 Linnet Lane, Toxteth Park, Lancashire

Reginald L. MUIR Relationship Son (Brother) Condition – Gender M Age 10 Occupation Scholar Birthplace Bombay, India Address 20 Linnet Lane, Toxteth Park, Lancashire

Gertrude MUIR Relationship Daur (Sister) Condition – Gender F Age 8 Occupation Scholar Birthplace Liverpool Address 20 Linnet Lane, Toxteth Park, Lancashire

Emma HARRISON Relationship Visitor Condition U Gender F Age 24 Occupation – Birthplace St Helens, Lancashire Address 20 Linnet Lane, Toxteth Park, Lancashire

Robt. GILCHRIST Relationship Visitor Condition M Gender M Age 52 Occupation Shipowner (Navgans) Birthplace Montrose, Scotland Address 20 Linnet Lane, Toxteth Park, Lancashire

Mary GILCHRIST Relationship Visitor Condition M Gender F Age 45 Occupation – Birthplace Glasgow Address 20 Linnet Lane, Toxteth Park, Lancashire

Ann GRANT Relationship Servt Condition U Gender F Age 24 Occupation General Servt Domestic Birthplace Liverpool Address 20 Linnet Lane, Toxteth Park, Lancashire


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County Durham 1891 Census (S. Shields R.D.)

56 Croft Terrace Name Reginald L MUIR Relationship to head Boarder Condition S Age 21 Occupation Marine Engineer Drau Birth Place India, – Census Place Jarrow Monkton & Hebburn District South Shields  

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