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« Reply #549 on: Monday 06 June 05 21:53 BST (UK) »
Continued...

Notes for JOHN ROBERTSON:
In marine service trades like his father.  His father was one of the sailmakers who worked in the sail loft at Dunbar Wharf.  Married into the Molison side of the family.  Died early and his wife Augusta ended up living in Liverpool with her father in law- the father of John in the 1881 census.  There were 3 girls of the marriage, details of whom are very scant indeed.  John and Augusta moved to Worthing at some time, and lived there for a while at least.  He probably died here.  It was popular to move to a seaside location if you had TB- a disease that was rampant then.

The town of Worthing built up around the village of Broadwater, whose church St Mary's, became the parish church of Worthing, until 1893. The town began to expand when sea-bathing became popular in the 19th century. In 1861, the population of Broadwater (including Worthing) was 5,970. In 1724 there had been only about 300 inhabitants. This number had grown to 1,018 by 1801.


The following entries from a bankrupt estate sale may be relevant to this family.  The sale took place in 1826.

A ship’s chandler in 1851 was a tradesman who dealt in ropes, canvas, and other equipment need to fit out a sailing ship.

Douglas and Robertson, Ship Chandler, Limehouse 226 0 0
George Robertson, Limehouse Ship Ch. 200 0 0
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #550 on: Monday 06 June 05 21:59 BST (UK) »

3.  WILLIAM JAMES4 MOLISON (ALEXANDER STRACHAN3, WILLIAM MAULE2, JAMES1) was born 1871, and died 1958 in 'STANWAY' PURLEY OAKS ROAD, SANDERSTEAD, SURREY.  He married HILDA MARIA MILNES, daughter of WILLIAM MILNES.  She was born 1877 in Lee, Kent, England.

Notes for WILLIAM JAMES MOLISON:
 William James Molison, of Sanderstead, Surrey.  A stockbroker.
Burial: Nunhead Cemetery, London
Fact 1: 24 Sep 1958, ASHES INTERRED GRAVE 15029 NUNHEAD CEMETERY, LONDON

Children of WILLIAM MOLISON and HILDA MILNES are:
   i.   MARGARET JUSTINA HELEN5 MOLISON, b. 1913; d. 1985, Isles of Scilly, England; m. (1) VIVIAN RUPERT DALBIAC BORMAN, Abt. 1937, England; b. 1910; m. (2) ERIC WELLINGTON GROSE, 1954; b. 1911; d. Aft. Jul 1990.
   ii.   WILLIAM STRACHAN MOLISON, CAPT, DFC AND BAR, b. 1915; d. 28 Mar 1945, KILLED IN ACTION FAC, RHINE CROSSING, GERMANY.

Notes for WILLIAM STRACHAN MOLISON, CAPT, DFC AND BAR:
In Memory of Captain WILLIAM STRACHAN MOLISON, DFC and Bar, Royal Artillery, attd. 622 A.O.P. Sqdn., Royal Air Force who died aged 30 on Wednesday, 28th March 1945.

MOLISON was the son of William James Molison and Hilda Maria Molison, of Sanderstead, Surrey.

Remembered with honour REICHSWALD FOREST WAR CEMETERY, Germany.


In Memory of
WILLIAM STRACHAN MOLISON DFC and Bar
Captain
109759
Royal Artillery
attd. 622 A.O.P. Sqdn., Royal Air Force
who died on
Wednesday, 28th March 1945. Age 30.
Additional Information:  Son of William James Molison and Hilda Maria Molison, of Sanderstead, Surrey.


Commemorative Information
Cemetery:  REICHSWALD FOREST WAR CEMETERY, Germany
Grave Reference/
Panel Number:  60. C. 13.
 
Location:  The cemetery is 5 kilometres south west of Kleve. From Kleve take the Hoffmannallee from the town centre, which becomes the Materbornerallee. This road enters Reichswald Forest and becomes the Grunewaldstrasse. Follow the directions for Gennep, and on entering Reichswald Forest the cemetery is situated 500 metres on the left.

AOP stands for Air Observation Post, and they were the forward air controllers and observers.


The only bits I've missed out are the voyages which I'll post seperately at a later date.

I really think it would be a great idea to join up all the great finds and work done by you guys with the research of others and host a simple webpage consolidating what appears a fascinating family.

Just one of the ASM voyage incidents...

15 April 1840 Capt of 'Blenheim' at a disturbance of natives in New Zealand.  Molison was anchored in the Bay of Islands.  In the late afternoon trouble was brewing ashore with the natives, and Hobson asked for help.  Molison quietly moved his ship to a position where his broadside guns commanded several of the gathering places of the natives, and dropped a stern anchor as well so he could bring his guns to bear regardless of tide.  The quiet message was not lost, and the disturbances quietened and then ceased.  For this practical effort, he was commended by Hobson.
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier

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Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #551 on: Monday 06 June 05 22:26 BST (UK) »
Wonderful info.
What was the mention of Robert James Molison in the notes for Eliza Wilson Molison?  Can't see/remember who he is.
Intrigued by refs to Aberdeen.  Only been up here since 1992, stayed at Huntley for a couple of weeks when first arrived - fair commute to get into the University even nowadays.
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TOLHURST - Hastings  OSBORN - East Sussex
GOLDSACK - Hastings & Kent
HAINES - IOW, Portsmouth  ALEXANDRE - Guernsey
CLARKE - Portsmouth  BREEDON - Portsmouth, Nottinghamshire
HORNBY,  KING,  WILKENS,  GOODAIR  - all London
GRAHAM - Portsmouth, briefly Canada, Fife
MCINTOCH, STEWART, DUNSYRE, SIM, BONAR, RUSSELL, TRAIL - Fife
HUGHES - Glamorgan, Herefordshire   NICHOLAS - Breconshire
ROSE, KEMP, SEAGER, SIMS, KNEE, BOX - Wiltshire

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« Reply #552 on: Monday 06 June 05 22:32 BST (UK) »

All I can say is WOW  ::)

How cool is that ? but could you please make Paul and Mary happy - and see if Claude is there............. ::) ::)

Seriously -  we've disregarded some of this information -I know I have - I have 23 pages of info that I didn't think was relevant - and I guess 7 pages were right !! I'm shocked - but this is so great because we were nearly there.......

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« Reply #553 on: Monday 06 June 05 22:33 BST (UK) »
So on the basis of Pam's lovely posts above, should I now ask Sedona to send me 50 pages of Muirs & Kings from Barbados and do the same thing that Pam did? I enjoyed reading it BTW.

There are still brick walls, you know - James Muir for one.

I havent received any reply from John Robertson.

I know that Mary faxed him. I'm waiting to read if maybe Mary received a reply.  ;D

Please advise re the Muir file.

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STEPHENS, MALLET, ADAMS - Cornwall
HANCOCK , BUSSON - Somerset
MCCALLUM, MCDIARMID, MCNEILL - Argyle, Scotland
WALLS, SUTHERLAND, SIMPSON - Orkney, Scotland
FAIRBAIRN - Fife, Scotland
THOMPSON - Aberdeen, Scotland

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« Reply #554 on: Monday 06 June 05 22:38 BST (UK) »
Michael has a completely different theory on Mary...

iii.   MARY JEAN MARSHALL MOLISON, b. 07 Oct 1838, St DUNSTAN, STEPNEY; d. Aft. 1881; m. JAMES ROBERTSON; b. Abt. 1835, Wapping, Middlesex, England; d. Abt. 1877.

Notes for MARY JEAN MARSHALL MOLISON:
From the 1881 census comes the following entries.  As Mary's husband had died, there is the suspicion she married again, and these entries must be them.  Reason is Dunbars still had a substantial wine and spirit business and a great deal of continuity in employees. Lee was an employee.



If Michael's theory is right then Allan's mother was not Mary Marshall Molinson but another Mary.  Have we been chasing the wrong line or have I misunderstood?
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« Reply #555 on: Monday 06 June 05 22:46 BST (UK) »
Just got back home after choir rehearsal (yes, I do have other interests) and found the last 3 pages...

Perhaps I'm stupid, but I'm very disappointed, because I would have preferred to continue searching ourselves, and now there's nothing left to do...  I thought the whole point of the challenge was to build up a genealogy from scratch? 

And as far as I can see, if Michael's version of what happened to Mary Marshall Molison after James' death is correct, then Allan didn't exist!   ??? ??? ???  Which probably just means that I'm too tired to think straight.

NB  I posted my Molison summary BEFORE we had this new info, and I'm not going to update it now, so please don't tell me I've missed out all the essentials.

BD - Post your Muir info if that's what everyone wants. 

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ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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« Reply #556 on: Monday 06 June 05 22:47 BST (UK) »



OK Mary it's your turn - it's been more than half an hour......!!!

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« Reply #557 on: Monday 06 June 05 23:01 BST (UK) »
Ahhh, I'm sorry MR  :'(

Now I've read it more (as I was posting the snippets) I think our Mary is the right one and we may be helping Michael more?  Though the Lee connection to the Dunbar's is interesting.

Obviously we need to look at both ideas.

Most of the notes on teh new info is IGI & 1881 so the other census info we have may prove or disprove?

Pam
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UK Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier

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