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« Reply #504 on: Monday 06 June 05 09:54 BST (UK) »
Can anyone across the pond follow up this tantalising lead...

An obituary in the San Angelo Times, Texas

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BIG SPRING - E.H. ''Buddy'' Robertson, 71, died Tuesday, March 4, 2003, in a
local nursing home. Graveside service will be at 2:30 p.m. Thursdayin Trinity
Memorial Park. Arrangements are by Nalley-Pickle & Welch Funeral Home.
Survivors include wife, Vera Robertson of Big Spring; sons, Mike Robertson of
Midland and Brain Scott Robertson of Houston; daughters, Patti Robertson of Big
Spring and Vicki Martin of Lubbock; brother, Claude Robertson of Big Spring;
sisters, Lillian Dossey of Colorado City and Faye Adams of Brazoria.



If Claude DID emigrate, then this Claude might be the right age to be a grandson.

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« Reply #505 on: Monday 06 June 05 12:39 BST (UK) »
PRINTING

if anyone wants an adobe pdf version of the thread to date i have one which i could mail you, but it is 14M in size.........

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Geen - Glamorgan/Devon/Birmingham
Lewis - Glamorgan/Monmouthshire
Cutter - Co Durham/Northumberland/Yorkshire
Hunter - Co Durham/Northumberland/Yorkshire
Siveter/Siviter - Birmingham




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« Reply #506 on: Monday 06 June 05 13:15 BST (UK) »
I'm at work so have only time for a quick note.

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Nice one BD, I wonder how much will confirm ours, can't wait to find out.
Mary

Umm so what do you want me to do?? Have her send me 50 pages of files??  Not that I mind, but the hard drive might!!  LOL

BD No I wasn't suggesting that, but what I am thinking is that anybody with such a lot of information must have a strong interest in genealogy and their own family in particular and I'm sure that at the end of all of this she will find some details that add to her own research, so by reading through she could possibly pinpoint any errors or omissions that we have made.

If it was our own family that was being done we'd be able to see places where researchers not knowing any better would take a wrong avenue.  Perhaps she could just see if we have made any major incorrect assumptions.

Annie, I've been looking into similar places for the Robertson family found in 1861 so if you come across any of these while en route, please take note.

Mother - Mary Robertson b 1798 Paisley Scotland
- George & Helen b 2 Mar, bap 22 Apr 1820, - We already know about George, not Helen
- Archibald b 3 Mar 1825, bap 2 Mar 1826,
- Hugh Moody b 19 Dec 1828, bap 23 Jan 1829,
- Agnes b 20 Dec 1830, bap 24 Feb 1831,
- Charles Mackae b 25 May, bap 25 Jul 1833,
- John b 23 Jan, bap 8 Jun 1835,  - We already know about him
- Mary b 27 Nov 1837, bap 11 May 1838,
- Janet b 6 Feb, bap 3 Apr 1840,
James b 1843 - We already know about him.
All above except mother Mary, baptised in Stepney.  George, Helen and Archibald not at home in 1861.  
If we are accepting this family as "ours" for reasons already stated above Charles M in West Derby, 1871 is NOT ours.

Mary, Just trying to summarise.
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from The National Archives <br />Lunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire), <br />Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire), <br />Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford)<br />Special separate interest in Longford (Blackrock, Dublin)

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« Reply #507 on: Monday 06 June 05 14:03 BST (UK) »
Trying to sort out the 2 Charles Robertsons who've been causing confusion:

1.  Charles Robertson - b. c1840 Liverpool - doesn't seem to be one of ours.  He married Alice M, b. c1840 Sydney, Australia, and had the following children (census data):

Charles D. Robertson (c1867, Tunbridge Wells)
Percy Robertson (c1869, Milan)
Claud W. Robertson (c1870, Blackheath)
Adrian Robertson (c1871, Walton-on-Thames)
Mildred A. Robertson (c1873, Walton-on-Thames)
Roland S. Robertson (c1877, Walton-on-Thames)

Claud W cropped up earlier when we were looking for Allan's brother Claude, so that's another problem solved - he isn't one of ours.

Alice M  is probably the Alice Mary Lousdale (sic) who marries Charles Robertson in Cheltenham in 1865 - an Alice M Lonsdale from New South Wales is listed on the 1861 census.  This Charles Robertson is an artist.

2.  Charles McCrae Robertson, who may be the same person as George Sr's son Charles Mackae Robertson.  His wife is also called Alice, just to confuse matters.  They have at least 2 children (IGI data):

Ellen Emily Robertson (1864, Stepney)  father's name given as Charles
Hugh Moody Robertson (1869, Stepney)  father's name given as Charles McCrae

Unfortunately the only Charles M/Alice Robertson family on census which seems to fit roughly with this one shows other children born before 1861, when our Charles Mackae was still single:

Charles M Robertson (c1853, Liverpool)
Jessie Robertson (c1854, Liverpool)
Alice M Robertson (c1857, Stepney)
Helen E Robertson (c1861, Stepney)
Agnes M Robertson (c1863, Hertfordshire)
Lilias Robertson (c1866, Stratford)

The Charles M Robertson on the 1871 census is a sailmaker, b. c1836 London.

I can't find any trace of Hugh Moody Robertson b. 1869 on census or Free BMD, but he certainly ought to belong to our family.

Is it possible that Charles Mackae, son of George Sr married a widow named Alice, and some of the children on the 1871 census record are really his step-children?  It isn't uncommon to find step-children listed with their step-father's surname.  But given that the oldest son is also Charles M, I'm a bit doubtful about this.  Needless to say, I can't find Charles M (1853) on Free BMD to check the middle name!

Opinions please!

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« Reply #508 on: Monday 06 June 05 15:21 BST (UK) »
Been looking for a marriage of a Charles on LancashireBMD or FreeBMD and there is only one showing and as there are two grooms sharing three brides I get the feeling another (Alice) wouldn't be wanted in there! 

It's a definite possibility that its her second marriage and at present I'm trawling my way through all the Jessie's in the 1861 census in Liverpool to see if I can find them under another name.

Saints and patience come to mind, but then so do English(wo)men and mad dogs.  Don't we do all sorts of stupid things just to prove a point.

Just realised, they should be in Stepney! or Hertfordshire blast, they could be anywhere in the country!   :'(
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« Reply #509 on: Monday 06 June 05 15:28 BST (UK) »

I have just found a list of 1932 births in Texas including EH
but also including a Claude!! -
I have a problem - I can get an image - but I can't put that on the board ....
and it's too big to type out -  can I send it to somebody and they can do fancy things with it???

Name       Henry E Robertson Jr.
Date of Birth    1 Nov 1932
Gender        Male
Birth County       McLennan
Father's Name   H E Robertson
Mother's Name   Johana Cain

Got this much though - this is in reply to Paul's post ...


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« Reply #510 on: Monday 06 June 05 15:29 BST (UK) »
No one seems to have any opinion on George Robertson Sr's parents (see p.31).

Here's some data which may help in favour of Archibald Robertson and Janet Moody, who would be my immediate choice if only we could prove they had a son George!

Archibald Robertson married Janet Moody 13 Oct 1878, Greenock, Renfrew.

Known children: John Robertson (1788, Greenock) and Hugh Moody Robertson (1790, Greenock).

Janet Moody - 2  possibles in Greenock, but the probable one was christened on 27 May 1867, dau of Hugh Moody and Janet Howie, who married in Greenock on 21 July 1764.  Hugh and Janet also had a son named Hugh Moody, chr. 3 April 1765.

To support this, I found the following quotation from a book published in 1881 at http://gdl.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/stecit/stecit15.htm

Short biographical notices of the magistrates and merchants of Greenock in 1783

HUGH MOODY, merchant, residing in Cathcart Street. His house is now taken down, and a branch of the Royal Bank built on its site. He is represented by his great-grandson, Archibald Robertson, cashier, Royal Bank, Glasgow


Note - the ggrandson would be a grandson of the Archibald who married Janet Moody, and is not someone we have already identified.

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« Reply #511 on: Monday 06 June 05 15:51 BST (UK) »

1851

Well - it's Janet and Archibald with no birth dates !!!


Name Janet Robertson
Age –
Occupation House Keeper
BirthPlace SCT. Edinburgh Borough
Liverpool Ward, Parish or Township Gt.George & Pitt Street Ecclesiastical Parish

Name Archibald Robertson
Age –
Occupation Retired Block Mkr./Carver
BirthPlace SCT. Edinburgh Borough
Liverpool Ward, Parish or Township Gt.George & Pitt Street Ecclesiastical Parish

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« Reply #512 on: Monday 06 June 05 16:21 BST (UK) »
Just in case there's a link back into Liverpool with the Robertsons, this is from the 1832 Poll Book:

ROBERTSON, ALEXANDER, CARVER, KENT SQUARE, LIVERPOOL, S & D,
ROBERTSON, ARCHIBALD, MEDICAL DOCTOR, GREAT GEORGE'S STREET, LIVERPOOL, S & D,
ROBERTSON, ARTHUR, BOOK KEEPER, BROWN STREET, LIVERPOOL, S & D,
ROBERTSON, J AMES, MERCHANT, MILES STREET, TOXTETH PK., S & D,
ROBERTSON, ROBERT, COW KEEPER, FINCH STREET, LIVERPOOL, E & T

(The final initials refer to the candidate each voted for:
Mr.EWART 4,931
Lord SANDON 4,260
Mr. THORNELY 4,096 S
S ir Howard DOUGLAS 3,249

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