June 2005 RootsChat Challenge

[Paul E]

There should be a special prize for the first person to find an Ag. Lab. in this tree

I like it All

I like it a lot!

Its nice to have a diversion from all the miners in my own tree, too!

Paul

[Burrow Digger]

OK I am back from work    and have read the last 3 pages.

No responses to the 2 emails I sent out - but I have found a second email for Melinda, so I will resend the email to the second email addy.

In the meantime below is what Melinda posted at Rootsweb on the Barbados board. I'm thinking we might have several connections here.

what do you guys think??   

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I am at a standstill in each of these lines. I am hoping that someone else may have further information, if you do, please let me know. Thank you!

BETTENY, Henry (daughter was Grace Betteny, m. John Wilkinson before 1677)
m. Margrett (surname unknown)
d. 1677

CHRISTEE, Robert (parents MIGHT have been Samuel Christy and Mary Clarke)
b. abt. 1730
m. Elvira Ann Cox, 28 May 1754, St. Joseph, Barbados

CLARKE, Isabella
b. abt 1700 (maybe in St. Philip, Barbados, but not sure)
m. Charles St. John (or Saintjohn), 12 Oct 1721, St. Philip, Barbados

COX, Elvira Ann
b. abt. 1735
m. Robert Christee, 28 May 1754, St. Joseph, Barbados

DESPRAY, Jahann
m. James Sedgwick King, abt. 1765, St. Michael, Barbados

HOLLINSHED, Edward (possibley the son of Edward Hollingshead, b. abt. 1601, and Mary)
b. abt. 1640
m. Mary Son___, 22 Feb 1664/5, St. John, Barbados

KING, James Sedgwick
b. abt 1740
m. Jahann Despray, abt 1765, St. Michael, Barbados

LIGHT, Richard
b. abt 1601
m. Dorothy
d. 1679, St. Philip, Barbados

PINKETT, Mary E.
b. abt. 1685
m. (Joseph?) Wilkinson, 30 Nov 1704, St. Philip, Barbados

ST. JOHN (or SAINTJOHN), Charles
b. abt. 1700
m. Isabella Clarke, 12 Oct 1721, St. Philip, Barbados

WILKINSON , John (parents may have been John, d. 1652 in Barbados, and Elizabeth)
b. chr. 13 Nov 1645, Christ Church, Barbados
m. Grace Betteny, before 1677

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/message/rw/localities.caribbean.barbados.general/596

[alcrighton]

Hi

The LDS site also has an Ancestral File for Charlotte Muir, showing her maternal grandparents as

James KING born 1807  St Michaels, Barbados
Mary Elizabeth WILKINSON born 1811 St Michaels, Barbados

cheers

Paul

Manchester Rambler

     Re: June 2005 RootsChat Challenge
« Reply #249 on: Today at 21:53:57 »  

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Same thing for Charlotte's maternal grandfather, James William King, son of James Martin King and Margaret Leslie Forte.  He and his siblings were all christened in Barbados as follows:

Margaret Elizabeth King, chr. 24 Nov 1793
Samuel Forte King, chr. 24 Nov 1793
James William King, chr. 28 May 1798
Robert King, chr. 28 May 1798
Ann Sedwick King, chr. 2 Feb 1809
Nathaniel Forte King, chr. 2 Feb 1809
 
 

Looks like the LDS has 2 different dobs for James King born in Barbados, one c1798 and the other in 1807.  Do we have an age for James from any other source?

[Paul E]

I'm thinking we might have several connections here.

what do you guys think??   

KING, James Sedgwick
b. abt 1740
m. Jahann Despray, abt 1765, St. Michael, Barbados

Well, Burrow, what about what MR found...

Same thing for Charlotte's maternal grandfather, James William King, son of James Martin King and Margaret Leslie Forte. He and his siblings were all christened in Barbados as follows:

Ann Sedwick King, chr. 2 Feb 1809

I'm sure with all these repeating names that we have pmenty of connections.  If Melinda doesn't reply, that will be the July Challenge - tracking her down to explain all of this!

These families are so complicated, its not surprising there is conflicting LDS information Allan.  Its going to be a bu**er sorting it all out.

Rambler - this is supposed to be a fun, genealogical challenge and I'm afraid your summarising is turning into a full time career!   Hope its not proving too stressful!

Paul

[Lesanne]

      Was just off to my bed when saw that
    GenesR have article on Caribbean Genealogy.

      Seems a few site links.    Must go. Lesanne.

                Happy Hunting.  

[Manchester Rambler]

The 1807 dob for James King was an estimate (user-submitted), and the 1798 one is an extracted record.

HOWEVER!  I've just found another extracted christening record for a James William King: 21 MAR 1797, and this time the parents are given as James Sidgwick King and Jaham Despray.  A user-submitted record for the same person gives the dob as 12 Aug 1795.

Given that one of James' children is Ann Sedgwick King, perhaps the Ancestral file was wrong?  Opinions please!

Rambler

You beat me to the post, Paul!

[Manchester Rambler]

I'm possibly going more than slightly mad trying to keep up with all developments, but ever since we discovered the Caribbean connection, I've had a stupid song stuck in my head.  I doubt it will mean anything to the non-Brits out there, but who remembers a bunch of one-hit wonders called Typically Tropical and their summer single "Whoa! I'm going to Barbados!"?

Rambler

"Fly me on Coconut Airways/Fly me high, Barbados sky!"

[alcrighton]

Possible for another son of Charlotte Muir and Allan Robertson (seems we've almost forgotten about Allan with all this excitement in the Carribean )

England & Wales Civil Registration Index, Deaths:

William Muir Robertson Aug 1992 Stafford
Born 17th October 1904

Any ideas on how we can prove/disprove a link other than shelling out 7 quid  ? (and that'd be after we'd found the birth reference - it's not on FreeBMD )

[Candolim_Imp]

I've been in conference about Barbados with LiverpoolAnnie on another thread/P and she posted the link to this thread, she suggested I copy my last message here, so I am!

There's been a suggestion that Allan's dark hair/eyes and Barbadian ancestry might mean he has black ancestry... I just wanted to give the reasons why I doubt this:

firstly, although mixed race marriages amongst working classes in Liverpool were commonplace, they were less frequent elsewhere (it was more a case of necessity in Liverpool which led to acceptance because it was commonplace, given that we had lots of black men (sailors), but few black women, except for the later offspring of these mixed couples, who turned up a generation after the abolition of slavery)

Secondly, though a black Charlotte could've married a white man (though less socially accepted as black men with white women... the scarcity of black women for the black sailors meant choosing white women was far less shocking than the other way around).. she wasn't likely to have married a Captain.... working class mixed marriages were common and accepted, but this wasn't the case with middle & upper classes, who still liked to stick with their own.

Thirdly, the Kings are cited back to 1799/1807, and each generation is baptising children AND quotes both parents. Slave baptisms were extremely rare, and there were few free slaves... and those free slaves who were baptising children almost never cited a father on the records, as marriage amongst former slaves was the exception rather than the rule. Sometimes a child would be born with the mother's surname, and the couple may marry as an afterthought, after which time the child would adopt its father's name... but most black baptisms in Barbados were illegitimate (though I think the parents usually lived together, but the church approached record-keeping as they did in Britain, and only stated mother's name in such cases).

King does crop up as a slave name, but I think it highly likely that Charlotte was a descendant of the plantation owner who gave his name to these slaves.

Impy