June 2005 RootsChat Challenge

[liverpool annie]

Woohoo! We're back to boats !!

http://www.whitby-yorkshire.co.uk/lifeboat/lifeboats.htm

Used to love watching the lifeboat go out .........

Annie

[Manchester Rambler]

Looking at the Dr Wilson in Huntly that we were given in Michael's info:
will index on scotlandspeople has:
George Wilson 26 July 1897 doctor of medicine (retired) resided at West Park Street Huntly died 27 April 1897 at Huntly, testate, widow is Mrs Jean Wymyss Forsyth or Wilson

Moray library local heritage services people search:
George Wilson doctor married Jean Weymss Forsyth 24 Jan 1852 Huntly, 5 Feb 1852 Greyfriars Elgin
also, George Wilson doctor married Margaret Wagstaff of Fochabers at Fochabers 6 June 1839.

Jo

I think I've worked out the Wilson-Forsyth-Molison connection:

The IGI has a birth record for Jean Henryss Forsyth, dau of Osbert Forsyth and Isabella Reid, b. Clapham, 17 Apr 1830.  I think this is the same person as the Jean Weymss Forsyth found by JoT.

Osbert Forsyth was the son of Alexander Forsyth and Margaret Dunbar.  His daughter Isabella Ann married ASM's brother James. 

ASM's daughter Eliza Wilson Molison was supposedly named after her "aunt", who married a Wilson, but it looks as if it was a more distant family connection: her uncle James' sister-in-law. 

And that makes it more likely that Robert James Molison who stayed with George Wilson while at university was James' son - George was Robert's uncle.

Rambler

[Manchester Rambler]

Molison-Dunbar-Tatham-Shores

Tying up loose ends!

Duncan Dunbar Molison (son of Alexander Strachan Molison, nephew to James Molison whose father in law was cousin to Duncan Dunbar shipping millionaire, married Justina Louisa Shores daughter of John wallis Shores and Justina Tatham.

Found on IGI:
Justina Tatham chr 8 July 1862 Walthamstow parents Duncan Dunbar Tatham and Mary Ann.
 
From NOTES ON THE ISSUERS OF THE CEYLON TOKENS
The partners parted company in 1860 and Thomas Dickson started the firm under the name Thomas Dickson & Co. with Christopher Tatham as partner. The name was again changed in 1863 to Dickson, Tatham & Co.
Tatham was a nephew of Duncan Dunbar, the millionaire owner of the Dunbar Line of first class sailing ships.
Thomas Dickson retired in the early 1860s and Tatham took over the entire business.

can't find the direct link between Justina Tatham, who married John Wallis Shores and Duncan Dunbar but must be close.
How many Duncan Dunbar XXXs are there???!

I think this is how they fit together:

Justina Dunbar, sister of Duncan Dunbar (millionaire), married Christopher Tatham in Shoreditch on 19 Jan 1821. (IGI)  These must be the parents of the Christopher Tatham described above as DD's nephew.

I think Christopher and Justina are also the parents of Justina Tatham who married John Wallis Shores, and Duncan Dunbar Tatham who married Mary Ann and had daughter Justina, although there are no IGI entries to back this up.  Is there anything in BVRI?

A 71 year-old Christopher Tatham died in W Derby in Mar 1880 - possibly Christopher Sr.

Rambler

[MaryA]

TATHAM, Justina   Christening
   Gender:   Female
   Birth Date:   12 May 1854   
   Christening Date:   8 Jul 1862   Recorded in:   Walthamstow, Essex, England
         Collection:   St Mary
   Father:   Duncan Dunbar TATHAM
   Mother:   Mary Ann
Source:   FHL Film 1564136   Dates:   1829 - 1901


Sorry I know we have probably already had that, but just pasted the one I found whilst still looking, nothing else found for either Justina/Christopher/Duncan on the BVRI

[MaryA]

Noticing Justina’s date of birth, do we know where she was born?

I have a possible in 1861, the occupation of the “uncle” looks interesting

RG9/1061 West Ham Walthamstow Folio 78 Page 31
Church End, Walthamstow
William S Brown Head M 43 Commercial Clerk to Ship Owners Middlesex St George East
Phebe Wife M 39 Middlesex Poplar
Margaret Emily Daur 5 Scholar “ “
Francis Dixon Son 3            “ “
Arthur Kaye Son 1         “ “
Justina Tatum Neice 7 Scholar Australia (transcribed Sotum)
And Servants

This family has moved to the Mansion House, Ayot St Lawrence, Hertfordshire in 1871, with interestingly another Duncan

RG10/1375 Hatfield, Welwyn Folio 59 Page 6
Phoebe Brown Wife (crossed out and replaced by Head) M 49 Wife of W S Brown Esq. (Absent) Middlesex Poplar
Phoebe Brown daur Unm 23 “ “
Duncan Son Unm 21 Articled  Clerk to Colonial Broker “ “
Margaret Emily daur 15 Scholar “ “
Francis Dixon Son 13 “ “ “
Together with governess and a variety of servants.

No sign of our Justina or a Duncan

Mary

[Joanna Tolhurst]

Brilliant work MR on the Wilson/Molison/Forsyth connection.  That certainly makes sense of the clues we've had.  Wish we could tie up the loose end of William Maule Molison before I post July's challenge.

Jo

[Manchester Rambler]

We don't know where Justina Tatham was born - I like the look of this family!  They're in Walthamstow where she was christened at the age of 8 in 1862 - we only had a christening date until now.  Do we presume that if this is the right family, Phoebe Brown's maiden name was Tatham?  (Named after her maternal grandmother in that case.)  Or is the relationship on the side of Justina's mother, Mary Ann?  I suppose we have no way of knowing.

Rambler

[MaryA]

Somebody has submitted records in the IGI for the marriage of William Brown and Phoebe Brown 1847 (about) London Poplar and also for the birth of Duncan Brown about 1850 London Poplar, again parents are just William Brown and Phoebe Brown, no mention of any other maiden name for Phoebe.

Nothing on the BVRI

Mary

[Joanna Tolhurst]

Going back to the moray local heritage library to check on info on the Dunbar family:

Duncan Dunbar junior (the millionaire) had sisters Maria Anne chr 24 Mar 1799 and Justina 6 Nov 1801 both at Shoreditch and on the IGI.  Info on the library site has other siblings; John, Janet, Margaret, Helen and Phoebe.

Phoebe Brown would have been born about 1822, could she have been a much younger sister of Duncan Dunbar and so also Justina Dunbar who married Chris Tatham?  Duncan Dunbar senior died 1825 and Phoebe his wife died 1853.
Jo