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Re: Rose Ellen (Nellie) Beard b Normanby circa 1873
« Reply #9 on: Friday 30 November 12 14:21 GMT (UK) »
hi carole w thats my fault it was just an idea as i cannot see any births at the moment for rose beard in mbro 1873
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Re: Rose Ellen (Nellie) Beard b Normanby circa 1873
« Reply #10 on: Friday 30 November 12 19:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Can't seem to find Rose and Henry in 1901/1911 in Brighton.  Can you provide references?  Where does Rose say she was born in these censuses?

A shot in the dark - there's a Rose BEEADLE (sic) registered 3/1873 in Pickering (FreeBMD) which would be the registration district for another Normanby in Yorkshire.

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Re: Rose Ellen (Nellie) Beard b Normanby circa 1873
« Reply #11 on: Friday 30 November 12 19:26 GMT (UK) »


Hi,


Can't seem to find Rose and Henry in 1901/1911 in Brighton.  Can you provide references?  Where does Rose say she was born in these censuses?




I've been looking as well Nannawilk, the only one I can come up with on the latest census and married to Henry - is Ellen Simmons, born in Leeds.

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Re: Rose Ellen (Nellie) Beard b Normanby circa 1873
« Reply #12 on: Friday 30 November 12 19:30 GMT (UK) »





Providing it's the correct person, in 1901 Ellen, aged 29 claims to have been born in Bradford, which doesn't exactly help.

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Re: Rose Ellen (Nellie) Beard b Normanby circa 1873
« Reply #13 on: Friday 30 November 12 19:55 GMT (UK) »
Yes, seems a bit of a problem.  Think I'll give up for now and wait for Paul to enlighten us!

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Re: Rose Ellen (Nellie) Beard b Normanby circa 1873
« Reply #14 on: Friday 30 November 12 22:35 GMT (UK) »
Here's the marriage from the IGI - Henry was born around 1871

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F356-FFL
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Re: Rose Ellen (Nellie) Beard b Normanby circa 1873
« Reply #15 on: Friday 30 November 12 22:39 GMT (UK) »
I think Henry was b Sussex as per 1881 entry in which case the reply by Pels re: 1901 entry and birthplace Bradford would seem to be the right one - shown as Ellen

RG13 Piece 926 Folio 147 Page 5

As per GRU 1911 index - birthplace is Leeds - again shown as Ellen
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Re: Rose Ellen (Nellie) Beard b Normanby circa 1873
« Reply #16 on: Friday 07 December 12 13:53 GMT (UK) »
Apologies for not replying to posts sooner - have been away. I have obtained the birth certificate for a Rose Ellen Beard born in County Durham in 1869 and although the father's name is James Beard it doesn't appear to fit with what I am searching for, albeit I will obtain the marriage certificate of James and the wife named on the birth certificate just to make sure. The following Census details relate to Rose. In addition I know, from her marriage certificate, that Rose had been living in Regent Square, Bloomsbury, London prior to her wedding in Cheshire and that she had been employed as a servant.

1881
Name:    Rose E. Beard
Age:    7
Estimated Birth Year:    abt 1874
Relation:    Daughter
Father's Name:    James Beard
Mother's Name:    Jane Beard
Gender:    Female
Where born:    Normanby, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish:    Gloucester Barton St Mary
Street Address:    3 Millbrook Cottage Millbrook St
Education:
Occupation:    Scholar
Household Members:    
Name    Age
James Beard    32
Jane Beard    32
Rose E. Beard    7
John D. Beard    5
Henry A. Beard    2

1891
Not yet known

1901
Name:    Ellen Simmons
Age:    29
Estimated Birth Year:    abt 1872
Relation:    Wife
Spouse's Name:    Henry Simmons
Gender:    Female
Where born:    Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish:    Brighton
Ecclesiastical parish:    Brighton St Matthew
County/Island:    Sussex
Household Members:    
Name    Age
Henry Simmons    31
Ellen Simmons    29

1911
Name:    Ellen Simmons
Age in 1911:    37
Estimated Birth Year:    abt 1874
Relation to Head:    Wife
Gender:    Female
Birth Place:    Leeds, Yorkshire
Civil parish:    Preston
County/Island:    Sussex
Country:    England
Street Address:    71 Redvers Road Brighton Preston Sussex
Marital Status:    Married
Years Married:    13
Estimated Marriage Year:    1898
Registration district:    Steyning
Household Members:    
Name    Age
Henry Simmons    41
Ellen Simmons    37
Rose Simmons    8

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Re: Rose Ellen (Nellie) Beard b Normanby circa 1873
« Reply #17 on: Monday 31 December 12 15:49 GMT (UK) »
I've exhausted my options - have checked suggestion re 'Rose Beeadle' - birth certificate does not relate to person I am seeking but worth a shot in the dark. I am left to conclude that she may have been born in Scotland, where her mother came from, but why continually use place names in Yorkshire on Census returns as where she was born? I suppose another possibility is that she was adopted so would never know what her birth name was. Thanks to all of those who have helped try to solve this mystery. Happy New Year.