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Alton Marriage Ayling
« on: Thursday 29 November 12 09:54 GMT (UK) »
Hi
I wonder if anyone could possibly look up a couple of Alton marriages for me.
James Ayling and Mary Isaac 26th july 1796 and James Ayling and Charlotte Isaac 11th Feb 1838.
I would be grateful for any info that may be on the records. I will order the latter marriage certificate, but as I live overseas it will take sometime.
Thank you

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Re: Alton Marriage Ayling
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 29 November 12 13:19 GMT (UK) »
Have you seen this on familysearch  :)

James Ayling
bride   Charlotte Isaac
marriage 11 February 1838
marriage place:    Alton,Hampshire,England
groom's father   David Ayling
bride's father   James Stevens

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Re: Alton Marriage Ayling
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 29 November 12 14:06 GMT (UK) »
Looks like this was a 2nd. marriage for both of them and I'm guessing that you are trying to see if there is a link between Mary Isaac and Charlotte Isaac.

Charlotte Stevens married George Isaac 12/7/1812 Alton and they had at least 4 children between 1817 and 1824, the youngest being Mary.   (Charlotte Stephens baptism 30/5/1794 Alton, dau. of James and Hannah).

1841 Census for Gt. Berkhampstead, Herts (ref. HO107 - 440 - 3 - 13 - 20) shows:

James Ayling   60         Turner (?)
Charlotte Ayling 40
Mary Isaac Ayling 15

1851 Census shows Charlotte Ayling as a widow and visitor to family named Budd - think the wife Sarah Budd is her daughter (bp.11/5/1817 Alton) - ref. HO107 - 1498 - 522 - 15)

You are not likely to glean much from the earlier marriage as it will only state their status, parish and names of witnesses.   (Parent details not shown at that time).

From his second marriage looks like James was bp.13/8/1774 Alton, son of David and Elizabeth.   First wife Mary (nee Isaac) bc.1776 buried 1/3/1829 Alton.

George Isaac bc.1789 buried 12/3/1837 Alton and would appear to be the George Isaacs bp.13/2/1789, son of John and Sarah.

Cannot see a Mary Isaac/s bc.1776 Alton.

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Re: Alton Marriage Ayling
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 29 November 12 14:54 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Rosie, I had seen that record which had confused me with the name Stevens, I thought there may have been a transcription error, now realise Charlotte had been marred before.

Thanks Annette, great help. Yes I was trying to find that link, and my family line is with Mary, so would really like to find where she is from. I was wondering if the marriage record would give her parish?

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Re: Alton Marriage Ayling
« Reply #4 on: Monday 24 October 16 03:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Annette. I'm not finding that 1841 census referencing James in Berkhampstead via the ancestry.com search engines. Are you able to post a screen shot or copy? or a URL to the page? Working on the link between David Ayling B. 1749 in Herts to Hampshire where he is when he has James (B 1774). Thanks!

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Re: Alton Marriage Ayling
« Reply #5 on: Monday 24 October 16 08:16 BST (UK) »
The reference should read
H0107
Piece 440
Folio   13
Book 3
Page 20

The Ancestry 1841 search page is in the order Piece / Folio / Page / Book

I initially found the entry by just selecting 1841 census and putting in Ayling living Hertfordshire, James came up top of the list
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Re: Alton Marriage Ayling
« Reply #6 on: Monday 24 October 16 20:10 BST (UK) »
Thanks. Seems that if you use ancestry.co.uk, instead of ancestry.com, it comes up :) 

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Re: Alton Marriage Ayling
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 15 November 16 02:57 GMT (UK) »
If you are still interested:

1771   John Isaac married Sarah Dedman at St Lawrence’s Church Alton.
1772   John paid the Alton Poor Rate for one of ‘Coombes Cottages’.

1773-1789    Baptism of Isaac children - Sarah 1773, David 1779, Joseph 1784, George 1789. (Alton reg.)

NB - as you will have seen if you have searched the St Lawrence parish registers - there are many gaps in the Alton baptism and burial records for this period hence John and Sarah probably had other children apart from these. For example - most of the last half of 1776 is blank. No other Isaac head of household has been found in the Alton area at this time so any Isaac children must have come from John and Sarah - for instance Ann and Martha as well as Mary. It is interesting to note that James Ayling was living in one of John’s houses in the early 1800s.

John is listed in Directories as a gingerbread maker and he appears in many local records.

You will have noticed the following Alton marriages:
1796   26 July, Mary Isaac married James Ayling, witness George Ralphs.
1798   9 April, Ann Isaac married John White, witness George Ralph, Martha Isaac.
1805   11 Nov., Martha Isaac married Joseph White.
and:
1811   22 Mar, Charlotte Ann Isaac Stevens, daughter of Charlotte Stevens, was baptised. Presumably the daughter of George. (Alton reg.) Charlotte was under age so her parents may have wanted her to wait before getting married. Also, George was only aged about 21 and may not have finished his training to be a carpenter and may not have been in a position to support a wife and child.

1812   George Isaac and Charlotte Stevens were married by licence. Charlotte was aged 19 and needed her father, James’, permission. (Marriage allegations) Assuming that George and Charlotte were free to marry at the time of Charlotte Ann’s birth, the baby became legitimate with their marriage.

I have quite a bit of information on the Isaac family. Yours Jane

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Re: Alton Marriage Ayling
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 15 November 16 04:10 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that info. I have nothing for Mary Isaac other than her marriage to James in 1796. I have a guess that she was born in 1781 but found no record to support. I have added your info to my tree. Makes sense to me.

Chris