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Re: please find Ethel May DON (nee LOCKE) - WW1 widow.
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 20 November 10 02:53 GMT (UK) »
 

When u consider that my mums birth certificate is full of lies- James trying to hide.  Mum wasn't told she had a half brother Gordon don till many years into her adulthood.

it wouldn't surprise me.  Lies or 'adjusted truth' for the benefit of the person telling the story  - time will tell as to which it is
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Re: please find Ethel May DON (nee LOCKE) - WW1 widow.
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 21 November 10 03:15 GMT (UK) »
Note re Barr --- my mother met some of the Barr line years ago as we are related to them also.

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« Reply #29 on: Sunday 21 November 10 07:01 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat also Ev.

Thanks for sharing your info.  It is great to hear further about some of the searches we've helped with and especially in this case when the information was not recorded properly in the first place, and there was so much secrecy.

Cheers, Judith

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Re: please find Ethel May DON (nee LOCKE) - WW1 widow.
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 21 November 10 07:38 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat from me too, Ev  :D

I hope you don't think poorly of the oral history that has been passed to you.  There's usually some sensible explanations that were significant to the people who first heard or passed these on.

Many families had secrets, sometimes because they were avoiding the possibility of being 'found out', either for apparent violation of an unwritten social rule, or for the more serious violation of the criminal code ... 

As I understand it (I've got several 'bigamists' in my ancestors) Police officers did not go around specifically looking for proof that a person was or was not a bigamist even in the 19th Century they only acted on that particular violiation of the criminal code IF they were given valid information ... usually this would be at least a Stat Dec signed by one of the spouses (who needed funds/maintenance to continue to support the children of the marriage) .... 

However, from around the late 1870's with changes to Divorce Laws (NSW c1875) there was the fear of being thought of being bigamous. This 'fear' was often the reason for couples moving to a different locality and thus "co-habitating" as though a married couple.  The 'fear" was thus avoided : - often the couple would 'co-habitate' as opposed to having the earlier marriage dissolved, and thus they avoided being mentioned for listing in the Law Notices in the newspapers.  If either party brought children of an earlier marriage to that new relationship, then the children's surnames became that of the new male partner...  So they enrolled at their new school with their new surname, they grew up, with that new surname, married with that new surname ... It was (and still IS) LEGAL to change your name ... either simply by usage or by formally applying to change it.

Women of my generation who are/were married usually changed their surname simply by using their married surname.  I know that I produced my marriage certificate to change my drivers licence, but the bank didn't need any documentation, a family member who attended my marriage also worked in the bank where our accounts were then held.  In those days the "KTS" initals would have been good enough ! (KTS = Known To Staff)


You asked "why else would they go into hiding" .... Perhaps they were not 'hiding' but just getting on with their own lives ... The tyranny of distance, lack of communications, poor reading or writing skills by earlier generations, lack of good knowledge of the full (postal) address or current surname of a family member ...


Sorry for the long reply,

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Re: please find Ethel May DON (nee LOCKE) - WW1 widow.
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 22 July 12 22:52 BST (UK) »
Hi, my husbands dad is gordon macdonald don. He has had no contact with his dad in over 25 yrs. We wanted to find out some history about the don family as we now have kids of our own.
gordon was married in brisbane around 1975 ish. Had 2 boys, then moved away up north we think. Any info on gordon would be greatly appreciated. So excited that we found ethel may don, a grandmother we didn't  know exsisted. Thankyou for posting the picture of her.
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« Reply #32 on: Monday 23 July 12 03:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Nikkie,

I am Evelyn Essenberg Morrisson.  My mother is Gordon dons' half sister Inez Don Tellecha (called Babs).  My mum is 81 this year. Gordon would be older than that, being the 1st child of James lever don 

I have met Gordon don on holiday when he used to live in cannon hill qld.  the first time i visited, i think he was unmarried or between marriages  ( i was about 10 years at the time), the 2nd time he had married a girl from the philipines (his last marriage that i heard of), i think sumi was her name. I remember her cooking me some amazing noodle dishes that i had never eaten before, a very young quiet lady. Sumi had 2 boys by Gordon before divorcing him.


i received a card from gordon about 20 years ago.  at the time he lived in miles st cairns i think.  sorry. i don't have a more than that. let me know if you want more information.  I am sure my mother has more, although she also hasn't been in contact with him in decades either

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Re: please find Ethel May DON (nee LOCKE) - WW1 widow.
« Reply #33 on: Monday 23 July 12 04:03 BST (UK) »
by the way Nikki, if you ever find gordon, can u let me know. I would like to contact him also. I was 16 when i last saw him, when he visited our house in wollongong.


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Re: please find Ethel May DON (nee LOCKE) - WW1 widow.
« Reply #34 on: Monday 23 July 12 04:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Evelyn, Thankyou for replying so quickly. Yes James...my husbands mum is from Singapore. She has always spoke fondly of your mum babs. Lol she's still an amazing cook!!! Sheela is her name. James is her youngest son being 35 this year, and her eldest boy Ian, is 36. We knew Gordon married after sheela, and went on to have more kiddies. Any other info you have would begreatly appreciated. I think Ian did make contact with Gordon about 11 years ago. But nothing else after that.
Thanks again Evelyn
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« Reply #35 on: Monday 23 July 12 04:52 BST (UK) »
Sorry Evelyn, do u have any pics of Gordon that you wouldn't mind sharing? So that makes you a cousin to my James? Or an aunty? Lol ....just thinking out loud..
Thankyou
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