Chandler, Thomas William Joshia

[BegClonrode ....]

I have a feeling that William Arthur and Henry Arthur are the same child. both born on the 4th of Sept, we had 1878 but that is obviously wrong for Henry Arthur

BDM NZ Births microfiche - 1879/510 - Henry Arthur CHANDLER - Rangiora Q1

Hi again...

1879 and Q1 simply means the event was registered in the first quarter of 1879. It doesn't mean that's when the event occured.

Likewise, 510 simply means the event was registered in the district of Rangiora, not that Rangiora was the district in which the event occured. (The registration district is found by looking up 510 in the District Keys of 1879, a companion reference book to the BDM NZ fiche)

In this case, I'm still betting that the 1878 baptism and the 1879 registration refer to the same event and that William and Arthur are the same child. Simply because you can narrow down the date of the 1879 registration on the BDM NZ website. And in this case the following birth can be narrowed down using the "Search From" and "Search To" boxes to 4 Sep 1878

BDM NZ Website - 1879/3102 - CHANDLER, Henry Arthur - mother: Ellen  father: Thomas - d.o.b 4 Sep 1878

To further complicate things 1879/510 found on the BDM NZ Births fiche and 1879/3102 found on the BDM NZ website refer to the same event, even though they have different reference numbers

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Thanks Lucy for the info re the Baptism CD

Regards
Beg

[GrannyFlower]

Ahhh wonderful it so great to have some experts on the case!!!
Thank you all for your hard work, It's such an interesting puzzle. Mum said our Clara and little Nellie went to St Joseph's in Wellington but when she made enquiries she was told all records were destroyed by fire. What a shame.

[BegClonrode ....]

Hi again...

For what it's worth, you should consider buying printouts of the four births and one death... assuming you have a spare $100 :-)

The "suspected" family may actually be "your" family but unless you get really lucky you'll never know from snippets of old newspapers. Having said that, accept that the $100 may be wasted

If you do spend some money, buy a printout at $20.40, not a certificate at $26.50

A printout is a scan of the actual register whereas a certificate is just a transcript of the register (so may contain transcription errors and you'd never know)

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Mum said our Clara and little Nellie went to St Joseph's in Wellington but when she made enquiries she was told all records were destroyed by fire. What a shame.

If you have a rough idea of the years you may find some info in the following Industrial Schools Nominal Rolls found at Archives NZ

Industrial Schools Nominal Rolls
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewEntity.do?code=8305

Then click on the "Records" tab

You'll need to start a "Wellington Archives look-up" thread to actually get any information.

Regards
Beg

[Lucy2]

More information from my Mother.....William Arthur Chandler, supposedly born 4th Sept 1878, bapt. 20th Nov 1878 at St Johns, Rangiora.
Despite Thomas advertising he was not responsible for Ellens debts in 1882 He was the one who registered Ellen Gertrude's birth in 1883

Hi again

Knowing that Thomas registered the birth of Ellen Gertrude 1883 ... does that mean that you have a copy of her birth certificate ??

  ~   Lu

[GrannyFlower]

A cousin has done that search and while he found William he couldn't find the girls.
Perhaps the next step is elimination!
Clara Mary and Nellie Eileen Chandler (as the girls were named) both state they were born in Wellington on their marriage certs. but were they?
Clara Mary died 12th January supposedly aged 79. so that would put her born approx 1883
Nellie Eileen died 2 July 1970 aged 83 so that has her born ~1887
could some body please do a BMD search for us?
I'm not sure if this has been tried before but it's worth a crack!

Lu,
No copy just someone wrote it all down for Mum (pre photocopier days!) and Thomas was the father and the person who registered.

[Lucy2]

Hi GrannyFlower

I noticed on your other thread in this forum (Independent Islands - Jersey), that you said in respect of Thomas William Joshia CHANDLER ... by 1877 he was living in New Zealand and on his marriage certificate he states his place of birth as Jersey, UK ...

Prior to October 1880 though, the information recorded on New Zealand marriage certificates, did not include "place of birth / or parental details" for the bride and groom.

*  Just curious then to know where you got the information "Thomas William Joshia CHANDLER - born Jersey ... Ellen MUNDAY - born Durham", from ?

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Hi

  ooops >... our just posts, crossed.   

So I expect that answer to my last question will be similar (in that the info is from notes from"pre-photocopier" days )?

  ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

A cousin has done that search and while he found William he couldn't find the girls.
Perhaps the next step is elimination!
Clara Mary and Nellie Eileen Chandler (as the girls were named) both state they were born in Wellington on their marriage certs. but were they?
Clara Mary died 12th January supposedly aged 79. so that would put her born approx 1883
Nellie Eileen died 2 July 1970 aged 83 so that has her born ~1887
could some body please do a BMD search for us?

Hi GrannyFlower

From what you've more recently told us (info is from "pre-photocopier" days), it seems likely that the person who sourced the information, did so many years ago when it was possible, by paying a small fee, to make an inspection of BDM records. ??

Sadly that system no longer applies  ... and you'll need purchase copies of records direct from NZ BDM.

   ~  Lu

[GrannyFlower]

You're right Lu, It was church records this came from, apparently not a BDM record ( should check my facts better
I also came across it in an 'Ellen Munday' google search, on a Munday marriages web site.