Chandler, Thomas William Joshia

[GrannyFlower]

Hi
We have nothing on our William, Clara and Nelly pre orphanage days and records from Social welfare only say that their mother was Nelly and she said (which we suspect was false) that her husband had left the colony. She also said she wanted the children to be raised in a Catholic orphanage but that may have been location more than religion
William died aged 35, he was a butcher at Renwick and accidentally shot himself climbing through a fence when returning home from killing a pig.
He served briefly in the Boer war coming home a Lance Corporal. ( I think he spent more time on the journey there and back than in Africa)
The Thomas Chandler that was charged with wife desertion in Wellington agreed to pay towards the maintenance of his wife and children so perhaps there may be a lead there as he would have to pay the orphanage if the children were no longer with their mother.

[Lucy2]

On the 'suspected family' we have a bankruptcy notice from a ChCh newspaper for T W Chandler 1880, a Mr Chandler in court for wife desertion 1881.
A Mrs Chandler and children (3) travelling to Wellington on the Mawheru 1884. no first names of course!
Then later in Wellington 1887, a report of the arrest of a Thomas Chandler again for wife desertion.

Hi Granny Flower

Are you able to give us the exact newspaper references for the above "wife desertion" cases, please ?

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Hi

I see you have a thread also on the 'familytreecircles' website which gives a little additional information.

Not sure though whether you'd found the following advertisement ?

"Press"  (ChCh) - 16 January 1882 - page 4 / column 7

....  will not be responsible for any debts or engagements contracted by my wife ELLEN CHANDLER  ... after this date ....

(dated) January, 12th 1882

(signed)  THOMAS W. CHANDLER
--------------------

[Note:   Often the above type of advertisement was published when a wife had left her husband / or the family home. ]

   ~  Lu

[GrannyFlower]

That's a wonderful piece, Lucy2 We don't have that advert and their Ellen Gertrude was born 1883!
Rangiora case was May 1881 just a couple of months before Clara's birth but only have a news paper snippet with just Mr Chandler (no initials) and the Wellington case The Warrant was issued on the 15th Nov 1887, arrested in Dannevirke, court case: June 1888.
William collected off the street 1.1.1888

[BegClonrode ....]

There is a death for a Thomas Joshia aged 6 weeks in 1880. Can any one confirm a date and where this baby died?

Hi again...

Just for the record :-)

Was visiting the library so I checked the birth registration districts for the children you've mentioned.

There was no birth for an Arthur William CHANDLER registered in 1878

BDM NZ Births microfiche - 1879/510 - Henry Arthur CHANDLER - Rangiora Q1

BDM NZ Births microfiche - 1880/2784 - Thomas Josiah CHANDLER - Rangiora Q3
BDM NZ Deaths microfiche - 1880/1249 - Thomas Josiah CHANDLER - Rangiora Q3

BDM NZ Births microfiche - 1881/2797 - Clara Constance CHANDLER - Christchurch Q3

BDM NZ Births microfiche - 1883/1759 - Ellen Gertrude CHANDLER - Malvern Q2

You might want to start a "Christchurch Catholic Baptisms CD look-up" thread. No harm in asking :-)

Regards
Beg

[Lucy2]

Their first child was born on the 4th Sept 1878 and baptised William Arthur Chandler, but on the 20th Nov they reg a child born on the 4th of Sept as Henry Arthur Chandler. Birth place Glen Tui, Rangiora.
 

Hi GrannyFlower

I'm guessing the above baptism you speak of, has been sourced from the Christchurch Libraries Index Cards (of Baptisms, Marriages and Deaths) ?

Can confirm their are no CHANDLER baptisms on the Christchurch Catholic Diocese Baptisms CD.

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Hi again

Do you actually have the Birth Certificate (or printout of), for the child Henry Arthur ?
[And do you have details of parents / their address, etc. from the baptism record  of William Arthur ? ]

  ~  Lu

[GrannyFlower]

No, just the information that mum and aunty were sent years ago.
St Andrews Church where they were married is Presbyterian.
In 1879 T W Chandler was a storekeeper at Waikari (insolvency notice).
I have a feeling that William Arthur and Henry Arthur are the same child. both born on the 4th of Sept, we had 1878 but that is obviously wrong for Henry Arthur so maybe William Arthur's bapt is the wrong year too. It's easy for mistakes to be made without copies of documents.
William A has Thomas and Ellen as his parents

[GrannyFlower]

More information from my Mother.....William Arthur Chandler, supposedly born 4th Sept 1878, bapt. 20th Nov 1878 at St Johns, Rangiora.
Despite Thomas advertising he was not responsible for Ellens debts in 1882 He was the one who registered Ellen Gertrude's birth in 1883