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Chandler, Thomas William Joshia
« on: Saturday 24 November 12 08:16 GMT (UK) »
Thomas William Joshia Chandler born Jersey 1852, and Ellen Munday born 1856, Durham, Eng were married at St Andrews Church ChCh,  New Zealand aged 25 & 21 on the 27th Aug 1877.
Their first child was born on the 4th Sept 1878 and baptised William Arthur Chandler, but on the 20th Nov they reg a child born on the 4th of Sept as Henry Arthur Chandler. Birth place Glen Tui, Rangiora. ???
They had that we know of 3 more children
Thomas Joshia? 6th June 1880 there is a death for a Thomas Joshia aged 6 weeks in 1880. Can any one confirm a date and where this baby died?
Clara Constance 27th June 1881
Ellen Gertude 6th May 1883.
My Great grand father was William Chandler. His father is named as Thomas Chandler and his mother as Nelly Chandler, He had two younger sisters Clara and Nelly.
We are trying to connect this first family to what we know of Williams family. Nelly or Nellie was a common name for Ellen.
William and the girls were taken off the streets of Wellington and raised in orphanages, William in Nelson and the girls Wellington we have a report from the Evening Post  5/1/1888 detailing young Williams 'arrest'
Clara called herself Clara Mary and William lists a Miss Mary Chandler (sister) as N.o.K. on his Boer War records.
We know only about this family after they were taken into care. Details of their parents, births and any other details are sketchy and change from child to child.
So any help on Nelly/Nellie or Ellen Munday, Thomas William Joshia Chandler, and any of their children would be great. or even if you can find some thing about our family pre orphanage days.
We know Thomas William Joshia Chandler was living in Wellington in Bute St in 1890.

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Re: Chandler, Thomas William Joshia
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 24 November 12 08:49 GMT (UK) »
hello,

By narrowing down the dates on BDM's the exact date was 16/7/1880
1880/2642 Chandler  Thomas Josiah  6W

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Re: Chandler, Thomas William Joshia
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 24 November 12 08:52 GMT (UK) »
This could be another child

1879/3102 Chandler  Henry Arthur to Ellen and Thomas

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Re: Chandler, Thomas William Joshia
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 24 November 12 09:02 GMT (UK) »
There is a Thomas William Chandler arriving in NZ
name: Thos Wm Chandler 
event: Immigration 
arrival date: 1875 
event place: New Zealand 
gender: Male 
age: 21 
marital status: 
origin: Kent 
occupation: laborer 
estimated birth year: 
ship: Hannibal 
departure date: 11 Mar 1875 
ship's arrival port: 
arrival port: Nelson 


https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11589-144364-50?cc=1609792&wc=MMBP-4MN:829545216

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Re: Chandler, Thomas William Joshia
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 24 November 12 10:02 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Janette,
All helpful, We had William Arthur and Henry Arthur as born same year, same day. one baptised, one registered. Was there an infant death for Henry?

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Re: Chandler, Thomas William Joshia
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 24 November 12 11:17 GMT (UK) »
Hello...

You said your g-grandfather William had two younger sisters Clara and Nelly. Do their ages tie in with the 1881 and 1883 births that you've found for Clara Constance CHANDLER and Ellen Gertrude CHANDLER. (I'm assuming your g-grandfather William was born in 1878)

Have you traced the two younger sisters Clara and Nelly. If so, what info is on their marriage and death certificates.

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My Great grand father was William Chandler. His father is named as Thomas Chandler and his mother as Nelly Chandler. He had two younger sisters Clara and Nelly.

Just to clarify, did this info come from orphanage records or do you have BDM certificates.

Regards
Beg

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Re: Chandler, Thomas William Joshia
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 24 November 12 18:21 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Janette,
All helpful, We had William Arthur and Henry Arthur as born same year, same day. one baptised, one registered. Was there an infant death for Henry?

I suspect William and Arthur are  the same person,maybe the person registering the birth was not a parent and got the names mixed up

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Re: Chandler, Thomas William Joshia
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 24 November 12 19:42 GMT (UK) »
The information for the 'suspected family' comes from research done by my mother and aunt, through other people looking things up for them, years ago.
Because 'our' William, Clara and Nellie were so young when taken into care they knew very little about their parents. their marriage certs. have either William(1) or Thomas(2) as their fathers name and Nelly (1) Elizabeth (1) and no name at all(1) for their mother! They had no birth certs so their ages were just a guess.
On the 'suspected family' we have a bankruptcy notice from a ChCh newspaper for T W Chandler 1880, a Mr Chandler in court for wife desertion 1881.
A Mrs Chandler and children (3) travelling to Wellington on the Mawheru 1884. no first names of course!
Then later in Wellington 1887, a report of the arrest of a Thomas Chandler again for wife desertion. Just after little William and the girls were put into care. This Thomas was an Expressman (horse and cart) as was Thomas William Joshia Chandler, Bute St, Wellington, 3yrs later, in the 1890 census so that shows he was living and working in Wellington by then.
Death of a Nelly Chandler, of 'Delirium tremens and pneumonia' Wellington but aged 30, 1893, and Ellen Munday would have been 37. No Next of Kin, so did they just guess an age? and if it wasn't her where did she go?
Lots of info but no positive ties

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Re: Chandler, Thomas William Joshia
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 24 November 12 23:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi again...

Can I just check that this is your g-grandfather...

William CHANDLER d.1914
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-16409-59432-28

PapersPast
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0sby/

BDM NZ says age 37 at death but many of the newspaper reports say age 35. This gives a year of birth of 1879.

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Is it definite that your g-grandfather fought in the Boer War. Could it be a namesake. Or has an elderly relative told you that he/she remembers him coming home from the war (or some family story like that)

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Their first child was born on the 4th Sept 1878 and baptised William Arthur Chandler

The Boer War record for William CHANDLER says "Religion; Weslyan". Is this the religion of the above baptism certificate.

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Have you the baptism records for the two sisters.

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Beg