Famous relative....or another false lead

[geordiepaul2001]

Hi all,

I have been stuck on my paternal line for over 5 years now, basically I am as far back as a John Mawson born circa 1781.
He married Ann Eden on 12/02/1805 in Forcett, North riding of Yorkshire.
He is shown on the 1841 census as John Marsden where he is living in Eppleby, North Yorkshire and working as an agricultural labourer and born in Yorkshire.
John was buried on 12/03/1851 aged 69 years (hence approximated birth year).
The monumental inscription for John reads 'In memory of John Mawson of Eppleby who died 12 March 1851 aged 69 years also Ann wife of the above who died 22 November 1830 aged 49 years.
Johns death certificate is mistranscribed as Mausten.

On each of Johns childrens baptism entries, John is listed as a labourer.

My problem lies here.....

I cannot find a birth for John in Eppleby and I have paid for the local records to carry out a check and they too have been unable to locate my John in that parish or any of the surrounding parishes.

On ancestry there are a number of people who have listed his am born in 1781 in Kirkby Overblow, though an equal amount of people have this person listed as married to a Frances Moody and not Ann Eden.
The difficulty being that John Mawson born in Kirkby Overblow is the brother of Sir Douglas Mawson (famous explorer) and I don't know whether people are just linking to this John to try and gain a famous ancestor in their family tree.

Can someone with a fresh set of eyes look at this information and suggest options for me to take this paternal line further back.

Thank you for taking the time to read this,

Paul

[andycand]

Hi

Unless there were two of them Sir Douglas Mawson was born 1882 and died 1958 which is some 100 years after the dates you mention.

Andy

[majm]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Mawson

One of my family members was associated with Professor Edgeworth DAVID and thus my family member was also associated with Douglas Mawson.    My family member assures me that Sir Douglas definitely died in 1958, in Adelaide, in South Australia.  My elderly rellie says "Glenelg" and wiki says "Brighton", but both these are coastal suburbs in South Australia's capital city of Adelaide.

So I think that it is very unlikely that someone born in 1781 could have a brother (famous or not) who was born in 1882

On ancestry there are a number of people who have listed his am born in 1781 in Kirkby Overblow, though an equal amount of people have this person listed as married to a Frances Moody and not Ann Eden.
The difficulty being that John Mawson born in Kirkby Overblow is the brother of Sir Douglas Mawson (famous explorer) and I don't know whether people are just linking to this John to try and gain a famous ancestor in their family tree.

http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/mawson-sir-douglas-7531

"Sir Douglas Mawson (1882-1958), geologist and explorer, was born on 5 May 1882 at Shipley, Yorkshire, England, second son of Robert Ellis Mawson, a cloth merchant from a farming background, and his wife Margaret Ann, née Moore, from the Isle of Man. The family moved to Rooty Hill, near Sydney, in 1884."

Cheers,  JM

[geordiepaul2001]

Apologies, The John Mawson would have been the brother of Douglas Mawsons gt. grandfather (Robert).

[majm]

 Agh, now that makes better sense 

I am a tad NSW centric, so I am not much chop with non NSW searchings, sorry.   

Cheers,  JM

[Annette7]

Your John and Ann included Robert and Sarah in the baptisms of their children in Forcett - the John and Frances (Fanny) in Otley didn't include either of these names when naming their children.   Since the naming pattern was pretty consistent in those days if the John married to Frances didn't include Robert or Sarah in their children names I wouldn't have thought he was the John born in Kirkby Overblow in 1781.

The John married to Frances appears to have died in 1850 -

John Mawson bur.23/4/1850 Otley aged 67 (bc.1782-1783).

If it was down to an either/or I would say your John was the stronger contender for being the son of Robert and Sarah - my concern is that Kirkby Overblow is miles away from Eppleby/Forcett.

I'm assuming that there is nothing in his marriage record which indicates he was of another parish.

Annette
 

[geordiepaul2001]

Thanks for the replies.
I have attached a copy of the marriage entry taken, I couldn't see anything of use.
I wonder whether ordering the death certificate of the other John would provide any useful information.

Can you see any useful info on the marriage entry?

Paul

[geordiepaul2001]

Also, I recall that the witnesses appear several times for various marriages and were more than likely professional witnesses rather than friends/relatives.

Paul

[PrueM]

Hi Paul
Here is my reading of the marriage entry:

1805
John Mawson of this Chapelry, Husbandman
and Anne Eden of this
Chapelry, Spinster, were
Married in this Chapel by Banns
this twelfth Day of February in the Year One Thousand eight Hundred
and five by me Will^m Hislop Curate
This Marriage was
solemnized between Us  John Mawson X his Mark
Ann Eden X her Mark
In the
Presence of  John Tennet? X his Mark
Charles Thompson