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Re: Famous relative....or another false lead
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 24 November 12 22:57 GMT (UK) »
Beat me to it, Prue! 

Concur with all that.

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Re: Famous relative....or another false lead
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 25 November 12 17:04 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that folks.
I presume 'of this parish' means at the time of marriage and not at birth.
Looks like I hadn't overlooked anything important, any ideas how to move forward?

Paul
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Re: Famous relative....or another false lead
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 25 November 12 17:56 GMT (UK) »



Since the naming pattern was pretty consistent in those days if the John married to Frances didn't include Robert or Sarah in their children names I wouldn't have thought he was the John born in Kirkby Overblow in 1781.

If it was down to an either/or I would say your John was the stronger contender for being the son of Robert and Sarah - my concern is that Kirkby Overblow is miles away from Eppleby/Forcett.


Hi Paul,

Annette mentioned a Robert and a Sarah as likely contenders because of the naming pattern - she's spot on because as far as my ancestors were concerned this area did adhere to it. Just to enlarge on what Annette said, assuming these are all their children :

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Robert Mowson
Bap. 1807

James Mowson
Burial 1808

James Mowson
Bap. 1809

Ann Mowson 
Bap. 1812

John Mowson 
Bap. 1814

Thomas Mowson
Bap. 1816

Elizabeth Mowson
Bap. 1819

Sarah Mowson
Bap. 1821

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First born son named after the father's father.
Second born son named after the mother's father.
Third born son named after the father.
Fourth born son named after the father's eldest brother.
Fifth born son named after the father's second oldest brother, or mother's oldest brother.

First born daughter named after the mother's mother.
Second born daughter named after the father's mother.
Third born daughter named after the mother.
Fourth born daughter named after the mother's eldest sister.
Fifth born daughter named after the mother's second oldest sister, or father's oldest sister.

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Providing Robert was their oldest son and with hopefully none missing, I'd say he was the most likely contender to be named after the father of John, although Elizabeth should be the above choice for his mother. I seem to have searched everywhere - only thing I can think of doing now is trying to prove he wasn't the one who was born in Kirkby Overblow.

If that makes sense ??

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Re: Famous relative....or another false lead
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 25 November 12 18:42 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that pels.
You have indeed listed all of their children, at least I didn't find any more when I trawled the parish registers at Northallerton.
I agree that the naming pattern is almost an exact match, minus the Elizabeth and Sarah part.

I am not 100% sure of what you mean by proving he is not the one born in Kirkby Overblow.
I thought the naming pattern made it likely that he was the one born in Kirkby Overblow.

I am tempted to order the other Johns death certificate, however this would provide no indication as the where he was born.

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Re: Famous relative....or another false lead
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 25 November 12 18:52 GMT (UK) »
Found this info via a google search on John Mawson Kirkby Overblow - http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/a/r/Andy-Barrett/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0490.html
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Re: Famous relative....or another false lead
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 25 November 12 19:06 GMT (UK) »
Not many James Edens on familysearch but this one is Yorkshire and married to an Elizabeth so would complete the naming pattern - James Eden
England, Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage:   27 Oct 1781   Bedale,​ York,​ England
spouse:   Elizabeth Watson
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Re: Famous relative....or another false lead
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 25 November 12 19:32 GMT (UK) »


I am not 100% sure of what you mean by proving he is not the one born in Kirkby Overblow.
I thought the naming pattern made it likely that he was the one born in Kirkby Overblow.



Sorry, when I said that about proving it wasn't him - I meant because there wasn't another likely candidate nearer to the Gilling West area - it might be easier to prove your John wasn't the one born in Kirkby Overblow, rather than being the one who was.

For example, trying to see whether another person might also fit the bill for the Kirkby Overblow baptism, other than your John.

Clear as mud !  ;D ;D

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Re: Famous relative....or another false lead
« Reply #16 on: Monday 26 November 12 11:13 GMT (UK) »
Re your query in #10:

'of this parish' means also 'at this time'
sometimes they may have been 'of this parish' all their lives, or only for the last three weeks

 :P  :P   :P

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