Cecil Clarkson Owen, Regina (Sask)

[devaboy]

I’d like to find out more about Cecil Clarkson Owen.

In particular, was there a marriage between him and Mary Harriett Roberts between 1920 and 1922. If so, where and when.

Was their daughter Glenys Owen (possibly Glenys Clarkson Owen) born in Canada; if so, where. Her birth date was 6 March 1923.

I know he emigrated to Canada between 1911 and 1913; I know he served in the Canadian army during WW1; I know he worked in Regina, Sask, in 1921; I know he worked in Whitewood, Ont in 1924.

Any other info would be greatly appreciated

[vbain]

Attestation papers
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-119.01-e.php?&id_nbr=542848&interval=20&&PHPSESSID=609ffggkgtibqkrlsfs7rec0k3

[Jacquie in Canada]

In Canada the registration of BMD events is a provincial jurisdiction. As well, privacy laws vary from province to province however most provinces restrict access to records for births from less than 100 years ago. Marriage records vary. If they married in Saskatchewan those records aren't available online. If they married in Ontario, the records online go up to 1928 however I didn't see a marriage for Cecil and Mary listed.

There is an incoming UK passenger list entry for the Duchess of Atholl which departed from Montreal and arrived in Liverpool on 3 Aug 1929 which had Mary H. Owen (41, housewife) and Glenys Owen (6) onboard. They were destined for Kilner Park, Ulverston. Their last permanent residence was Canada and their future permantant residence was listed as England.

Another incoming UK passenger list for the Empress of Scotland which departed from Montreal and arrived in Liverpool on 6 Sep 1955 had Mary Clarkson-Owen (born 16 Jan 1888, housewife) and Glenys Clarkson-Owen (6 Mar 1923, teacher) onboard. They were destined for Springfield, Denbigh, Wales. It also indicates their last permanent residence had been Wales and it was their future permanent residence as well. I see there is a death for Glenys in 1969 in Denbigh in the Free BMD as well as a death for Mary in Glyndwr in 1979.

Jacquie

[JaneyCanuck]

Just a question or two about Mary; you never know what might help find something.

How do you know Mary's surname? I see Mary Harriet Roberts' birth registered in St Asaph reg dist in Q1 1888, and she seems to be an unmarried governess there in 1911. Without a record of marriage or of Glenys's birth, you know about Mary from a direct family connection with her?

You don't know anything about her life between 1911 and Glenys's birth, though? Whether she was previously/already married (widowed during WWI is always a possibility), when and why she travelled to Canada ...?

It would be very interesting to see the passenger record for Mary and Glenys travelling to Canada before their return trip to England in 1955. I haven't managed to identify a record at findmypast (or Cecil's original voyage to Canada; Mary Roberts is too common a name with too wide a range of dates to identify hers without looking at a lot of original records - and possibly not even then - and I don't pay for access there).
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action

A Cecil S Owen born c1885 (your Cecil's birth was registered in Q4 1884) travelled to Halifax NS in 1913, per Ancestry Canadian Passenger Lists. I can't find that entry at FindMyPast. It's the only remotely possible looking passenger record I've seen. Have you investigated that record? (again, I don't have paid access)

edit - the record is shown as CS Owen at FindMyPast, arriving at St Johns NF, I think maybe. There was no Cecil S Owen birth registered in England/Wales around 1885.

[JaneyCanuck]

And one other thought -- in 1911 he was a solicitor, and on his attestation papers his occupation is lawyer. If he was in Ontario, he would have been a member of the Law Society of Upper Canada (or the counterpart in any other province he resided in -- like vital statistics, the legal profession is organized by province). Unfortunately, his attestation papers don't give a place of residence; he was attested at Valcartier Camp, in Quebec, but this doesn't mean he resided in Quebec.

You know he was working in Regina in 1921 and Whitewood, Ontario, in 1924 -- as a lawyer? It can help to tell us exactly what you know, and how, you see. (I'm a former member of the LSUC, so that's the first thing I would have thought of if I'd known he was a lawyer, without searching the census and WWI records.)

Since Ontario is the last known location, you could try the LSUC:
http://www.lsuc.on.ca/contact/#General%20Inquiries

The Manitoba Law Society:
http://www.lsuc.on.ca/contact/#General%20Inquiries
http://www.lawsociety.mb.ca/staff-listing

They should probably be able to tell you when he was last a member of the Bar, and where.

I wonder whether Mary and Glenys travelled to Canada on the occasion of his death?