Dale family of North Shields

[WolfieSmith]

A few more baptisms and burials.

Grimsby St. James :

Baptized 31 July 1809. Elizabeth, daughter of William and Elizabeth Dale.

Born 30 Oct 1811, baptized 2 Nov 1811. Frances, daughter of William and Elizabeth Dale.

Tynemouth Christ Church :

Buried 21 Sep 1813. Frances, daughter of William Dale of Tynemouth, aged 2.

Wesleyan Methodist Registers :

Margaret, the daughter of William Dale of Tynemouth, and Elizabeth, his wife, who was the daughter of Edward and Frances Skelton, was born at Tynemouth on the 23rd July 1813, at whose birth were present Elizabeth Dale and Dorothy Coxon of Tynemouth, and baptized at Tynemouth on 8th August 1813.

Then same parent and grandparent details for Sarah Dale, born 18 May 1815 Tynemouth, baptized 20th Jan 1819 at the Methodist Chapel, Tynemouth. Present at birth Elizabeth Dale and Margaret Ladler of Tynemouth.

Then same parent and grandparent details for Maria Dale, born 24 Dec 1818 Tynemouth, baptized 20th Jan 1819 at the Methodist Chapel, Tynemouth. Present at birth William Oxley, Surgeon, and Margaret Cranston.

Alan.

[johngosling]

Thanks Alan,

That's a poignant affirmation of the move from Grimsby to North Shields, terribly sad for poor Frances.

Interesting that there is the association with the Methodists. All the marriage certs I have for later generations are from the Parish Church of Tynemouth, which I take to be this one: http://www.northshieldsparish.org

So if these are also my Dales, I guess they must have moved away from the Methodist faith.

Ah yes, the William born April 22 1822 is the one I have identified as my great great grandfather.

That's a fascinating thought that I might be able to pin a Dale down to a specific ship.

I've done a lot of work this last 24 hours on the William Dale born 1932. His trail is really solid in the census records, as is his father John and mother, Elizabeth. I've found another member of this line with the middle name Mitcalfe, so that was clearly an important name to them, and as I mentioned early, the name Mitcalfe (various spellings) crops up in my research as well.

I've also been looking into a company called E E Dale, builders, who were based in Grimsby.  Makes you think there's a possible connection there too.

Anyway, wanted to get a thank you written ASAP, but I'll continue to add in what you folks are finding and trying to pin it all together.

Regards

John

[WolfieSmith]

One more baptism at Grimsby St. James,

John, son of William Dale and Elizabeth, his wife. Born 24th, baptized 25th October 1807.

That ties in nicely for him being John, father of William 1832.

Alan.

[Radcliff]

I would also give North Shields library a ring .as they have found quite a few newspaper articles for me in the past,super staff,who will help you if they are not to busy,
I would think it a  better idea ,if you could visit yourself ,as since they moved,a lot of stuff is stored away,

[WolfieSmith]

Given the Mitcalf/Metcalf middle name in the Dale family in Tynemouth (slater/mariner occupation branch, as well as shipowner branch) it does seem likely that William, marrying Elizabeth Skelton in Grimsby, is the son of Shallett Dale and Dorothy Metcalf, born 29 Oct 1784, baptized Newcastle All Saints 17 March 1785.

However in Shallett Dales will, 1814, there is no mention of a son William. The executors and main beneficiaries are sons John, Henry and Shallet. Also mentions wife Dorothy, daughter Susanna Lawson wife of William Hall Lawson, and daughters Dinah, Frances and Dorothy Maria.

So either William was a prodigal son who ran off to join the Navy and missed out on his fathers fortune, or he's a different William.

Alan.

   

[johngosling]

Hello all,

I thought I would post a quick update.

Thanks to the very kind help on this thread, I think I am quite a bit further forward and it looks like I might have solved another one of the mysteries in my tree and firmed up quite a few of the connections we've discussed.

Put briefly (it likely won't be that brief by the time I have finished), we had long wondered why my grandfather was called Edward "Mowbray" Dale. The Mowbray just seemed odd and without context, more so because there were 2 other "Edward Mowbray Dales" in the tree. The name clearly meant something to the family.

Thanks to the excellent Wesleyan Baptism info furnished in this thread, the names Edward and Francis Skelton popped up.

Looking around, I found a marriage in Sculcoates on May 17th 1774 between Edward Skelton and Francis Mowbray. Bingo, that's a very compelling lead on the origin of "Edward Mowbray".

And the trail very nicely leads to Edward and Francis settling in Grimsby, having several children there including Elizabeth Skelton, who married William Dale in Grimsby, where upon they started producing children, the 3rd of whom, Francis (1811-1813) passed away in North Shields, where the family had by then relocated to.

Going back a step, it also seems very likely that the William Dale, likely to be my great great great great granfather, born 1783 and married to Elizabeth Skelton, did indeed have a link to the ship Providence, which saw some action including the capture of a Dutch ship in 1805. (Wonder if the prize money paid for the marriage?)

Now, here arises another problem. I've found William's Master and Mates certificate, which confirms his duty on the Providence as a Quartermaster, and a date of birth as 15th June 1783.

If anyone following this thread recalls, you might remember we discussed also my thought that there might be a connection to the Mitcalf (Metcalfe) family line, in that a Shallet Dale maried a Dorothy Metcalf on 12th Jan 1779.

You might also recall my connections to Slaters (the proffession) in North Shields and the fact that respondents on this thread uncovered a William Dale (1832), a master slater in N Shields.

This William looks to be a son of John Dale (1807), himself a son of William Dale and Elizabeth Skelton.

The fact that William (1832) was on Reed Street at the same time as my great great great grandfather in 1881 seems more than a co-incidence.

Also, the fact that John Dale (1807) named one of his children Dorothy Maria Mitcalfe Dale and one his son's named a daughter Augusta Mitcalfe Dale, suggests a connection to Shallet Dale and Dorothy Metcalfe.

It's "Mowbray" all over again.

But I can't quite join them up.

Shallet Date and Dorothy Metcalfe did indeed have a William Dale in much the right time and place, but it's a few years out. As you will recall, I have William's Masters Cert, and it states a date of birth of 15th June 1783. The baptism record I have seen for the birth of a William to Shallet Date and Dorothy Metcalfe places his DOB as 29 Oct 1784 (Baptism 17 Mar 1785). So a few years adrift.

So is it the same person, or is there another branching avenue that would lead me to connect to Shallet and Dorothy?

Anyway, hope that's of interest - I've found many avenues for research by stumbling on old threads on sites like this, so hopefully in years to come another Dale will find this helpful.

Regards

John

[WolfieSmith]

The Durham Wills Project website has the following Probate Record.

"William DALE, mariner, bachelor, Merchant Ship Peter, of Dockwray Square in the County of Northumberland [Tynemouth, Northumberland]
Date of probate: 12 March 1804
Address taken from father's address
Administration bond, penal sum £3,000, 12 March 1804 (DPRI/3/1804/A20)"

I suspect that this is the William Dale, son of Shallet Dale. The will of Shallett Dale, 1814, mentions his property in Dockwray Square. A family tree on Ancestry has this William dying at sea, 12 Sep 1803, aged 18.

Alan.

[johngosling]

Hi Alan,

Arrgggg, that was staring me in the face, thanks for spotting that. I think you're absolutely right.

It's one of those classic family tree conundrums. I am convinced I have several strands of Dale tree that but for one little fact, would all connect up.

If I could only find a record for the birth of William, 15/06/1783, I'd have it sorted with a good degree of certainty.

Thanks again,

John

The Durham Wills Project website has the following Probate Record.

"William DALE, mariner, bachelor, Merchant Ship Peter, of Dockwray Square in the County of Northumberland [Tynemouth, Northumberland]
Date of probate: 12 March 1804
Address taken from father's address
Administration bond, penal sum £3,000, 12 March 1804 (DPRI/3/1804/A20)"

I suspect that this is the William Dale, son of Shallet Dale. The will of Shallett Dale, 1814, mentions his property in Dockwray Square. A family tree on Ancestry has this William dying at sea, 12 Sep 1803, aged 18.

Alan.

[ClaireMT55]

Hello all,

I thought I would post a quick update.

Thanks to the very kind help on this thread, I think I am quite a bit further forward and it looks like I might have solved another one of the mysteries in my tree and firmed up quite a few of the connections we've discussed.

Put briefly (it likely won't be that brief by the time I have finished), we had long wondered why my grandfather was called Edward "Mowbray" Dale. The Mowbray just seemed odd and without context, more so because there were 2 other "Edward Mowbray Dales" in the tree. The name clearly meant something to the family.

Thanks to the excellent Wesleyan Baptism info furnished in this thread, the names Edward and Francis Skelton popped up.

Looking around, I found a marriage in Sculcoates on May 17th 1774 between Edward Skelton and Francis Mowbray. Bingo, that's a very compelling lead on the origin of "Edward Mowbray".

And the trail very nicely leads to Edward and Francis settling in Grimsby, having several children there including Elizabeth Skelton, who married William Dale in Grimsby, where upon they started producing children, the 3rd of whom, Francis (1811-1813) passed away in North Shields, where the family had by then relocated to.

Going back a step, it also seems very likely that the William Dale, likely to be my great great great great granfather, born 1783 and married to Elizabeth Skelton, did indeed have a link to the ship Providence, which saw some action including the capture of a Dutch ship in 1805. (Wonder if the prize money paid for the marriage?)

Now, here arises another problem. I've found William's Master and Mates certificate, which confirms his duty on the Providence as a Quartermaster, and a date of birth as 15th June 1783.

If anyone following this thread recalls, you might remember we discussed also my thought that there might be a connection to the Mitcalf (Metcalfe) family line, in that a Shallet Dale maried a Dorothy Metcalf on 12th Jan 1779.

You might also recall my connections to Slaters (the proffession) in North Shields and the fact that respondents on this thread uncovered a William Dale (1832), a master slater in N Shields.

This William looks to be a son of John Dale (1807), himself a son of William Dale and Elizabeth Skelton.

The fact that William (1832) was on Reed Street at the same time as my great great great grandfather in 1881 seems more than a co-incidence.

Also, the fact that John Dale (1807) named one of his children Dorothy Maria Mitcalfe Dale and one his son's named a daughter Augusta Mitcalfe Dale, suggests a connection to Shallet Dale and Dorothy Metcalfe.

It's "Mowbray" all over again.

But I can't quite join them up.

Shallet Date and Dorothy Metcalfe did indeed have a William Dale in much the right time and place, but it's a few years out. As you will recall, I have William's Masters Cert, and it states a date of birth of 15th June 1783. The baptism record I have seen for the birth of a William to Shallet Date and Dorothy Metcalfe places his DOB as 29 Oct 1784 (Baptism 17 Mar 1785). So a few years adrift.

So is it the same person, or is there another branching avenue that would lead me to connect to Shallet and Dorothy?

Anyway, hope that's of interest - I've found many avenues for research by stumbling on old threads on sites like this, so hopefully in years to come another Dale will find this helpful.

Regards

John

Im not sure if anyone is coming back to this post.
I am related to the Dales family od North Shields.
Although i live in Grimsby i have never founf any links to the Dale Family.
My father was William Dale Swan born in Seaham Harbour,  His father was also William Dale Swan.
Dorothy Mitcalfe and Shallett Dale are my 4 x great grandparents