Rose Bina Hawkins b. 1888 Battersea/Wandsworth.

[MaureeninNY]

I think it's cracked.

Just as an aside-Fred* Ernest was the name of the ARNOLDs first son.

Look for Laura ARMOLD on A"try 1901.

Maureen

[ScallyW]

You say that Rose didn't marry till 1950's but she lived with him for years.............what was his name?

His name was William John Marsh and the story was that they had to wait for his first wife to die for them to marry.  Recent discoveries show us that although they waited about 35 years, they didn't quite wait long enough because his first wife was MIA but happily married elsewhere!  We don't know if a divorce was obtained or not although William Marsh listed himself as a widower in 1911.

[ScallyW]

Do let us know when the birth cert arrives with MAry's maiden name ....

The final proof would actually be the birth certificate of one of the 'siblings' showing the mother's maiden name...

[ScallyW]

To complete the family marriages..

Arthur Albert Hawkins married Ellen Bertha Byron at St Anne's Lambeth on 25th Dec 1909.

Arthur 24 a bachelor (can't read his job,possibly a paviour?) of 50 Blockhouse Street,Canterbury Road,Old Kent Road, father William Hawkins labourer.

Ellen 23 spinster of 3 Pleasant Place,Vauxhall,father Charles Byron labourer.

Witnesses Joseph and Edith (Waller?)

Now that is quite interesting.  The daughter of one of Mary Jane's cousins married a man called Waller.  Not that particular forename but I haven't fully researched that branch yet.....

[carol8353]

Do let us know when the birth cert arrives with MAry's maiden name ....

The final proof would actually be the birth certificate of one of the 'siblings' showing the mother's maiden name...

As Rose Bina is your interest then surely it shoudl be her birth cert that you obtain?

[ScallyW]

Do let us know when the birth cert arrives with MAry's maiden name ....

The final proof would actually be the birth certificate of one of the 'siblings' showing the mother's maiden name...

As Rose Bina is your interest then surely it shoudl be her birth cert that you obtain?

Yes, of course, but proof that she shared the same mothers maiden name would be the icing on the cake and irrefutable proof that it is one and the same family.

[carol8353]

But without sight of her birth cert you don't know her mothers maiden name?

[carol8353]

There's a birth of a Rose Bina Hawkins in Southwark in Dec 1901.

There's a baptism of the same child in Southwark on 25th Nov 1901 (DOB 7th Nov) to a single mum Alice Ann Hawkins.

Alice was the only sister I never found a marriage for.

[ScallyW]

But without sight of her birth cert you don't know her mothers maiden name?

Yes, I meant get two birth certs...  sorry I didn't make that clear.

There's a birth of a Rose Bina Hawkins in Southwark in Dec 1901.

There's a baptism of the same child in Southwark on 25th Nov 1901 (DOB 7th Nov) to a single mum Alice Ann Hawkins.

Alice was the only sister I never found a marriage for.

Yes, I saw that....  it does make one wonder why they all went about naming their daughters after who we suppose to be their sister ...?  For one to do so is fairly normal I should think, for two to do it makes me curious...was it some kind of 'in honour/rememberance of' situation.  And I'm really curious as to where the name Bina comes from in the first place!

Actually, I think I now have to wonder if 'my' Rose Bina was the one born in 1888 or the one in 1901.... no scrub that, her death certificate as Rose Bina Marsh gives her precise DOB.