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Re: Robertson. Buffs and Royal west kents
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 13 November 12 23:37 GMT (UK) »
472 bars to DCM in great war :(
I can't see how he would get a second DCM serving only in India he doesn't appear to have served in a war zone with lack of a Victory medal

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Re: Robertson. Buffs and Royal west kents
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 14 November 12 00:13 GMT (UK) »
i know its a mystery ???
all i know is he joined up under age fought boer war dad said he served in buffs and royal west kents then serving in india and middle east my late father said he saw the medals and they included a french/belgium one? at some stage was a colour sergent was offered promotion to officer rank but turned it down as officers had to pay for their own equipment  ;D colour sergents didnt!
married 4 times with 4 names!!!! ::) can only think he did the same with army

also found a serive record for henry robinson serving royal sussex reg 1901-2 cant prove its him but he's born in kent and parents are the same

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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 14 November 12 00:18 GMT (UK) »
2nd two pics of henry robinson it must be him as parents are correct like i say man is a nightmare to track even thought he must be a murderer for a while as so many changes  :'(

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Re: Robertson. Buffs and Royal west kents
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 14 November 12 00:41 GMT (UK) »
Think reason for discharge para 1805 kings regs 1901 was for under age enlistment...

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Re: Robertson. Buffs and Royal west kents
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 17 November 12 04:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi Hollowranger,

My sympathies are with you, this looks difficult! My gggrandfather was similar in many ways, three aliases that I know of, enlisted under false name, married under false name at least three times (sent to prison for bigamy on the third one), numerous offences and jail time. It was only getting lucky with a newspaper article that listed two of his aliases, that helped tie it all together in the end and I am still missing him on the 81 census (of marriageable age and I'm sure married to someone not yet found) I also can't find in 1911 onwards, death unknown, so I do understand some of what you're going through. I'm afraid that I'm not able to offer any luck with his military history but have a few thoughts to offer, firstly have you looked with variants of his original name (Henry/herbert/Thomas/Roberts as first name or last name)? Have you followed through on previous suggestions on contacting the Regimental museums? Have you followed all his siblings to see if he is with them at any time (census or witness to marriage, etc)? As to Hettie Banks/Dawkins: there is a probable death for her husband James H Dawkins in 1917, this would make her a widow when marrying and not sure why she wouldn't just state herself as such? She and James list no living or dead children on the 1911 census so Henrietta Dawkins b1910 not likely theirs. Do you have a death for Hetty? Only, like you, I am surprised that children would be registered, more than once, with the wrong mothers name! Is it possible that they separated briefly, your father was born and then they reconciled? Could your fathers siblings born between 1925 and 1931 really be those of Hettie. Ella and Herbert reuniting and marrying sometime after 1931? All conjecture but would be very surprised that Ella was the mother but not listed on the births! Please keep me updated on your progress as I find this case so interesting and I will keep an eye out on my searches for your Henry/Herbert ??
Good luck with it all, Jo
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Re: Robertson. Buffs and Royal west kents
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 17 November 12 11:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jo many thanks for your kind message yes on the ne hand i love all the mystery but on the other it does my head it as i feel like a dog chasing its tail and getting nowhere, i have to tread a bit carefully as one of my late fathers sisters is still alive and she refuse's to believe thats she's a dawkins and swear's blind that they all lived together with ella as did my dad  ??? but like you i do wonder is my late dad a child of
livingstone and shepperd or robertson and shepperd
are his brother and 2 sisters
dawkings and robertson or shepperd and robertson

in the total worst care they wouldnt be related at all but thats something i could/would never say below are a couple of pics of them as children with ella so what ever happened did happen very early on,i know ella shepperd was hidding from her husband (livingstone)he too was a soldier and they had been living on the isle of mull(scotland) she had a terrible time there and finally ran away back to kent leaving behind two boys :'(  where she must have met up with herbert at some stage ,ive never know so many twists and half truths lies ect oh that i could ask them but most were gone well before i was born i have done a tree to the best of my knowledge on Genes Reunited if your a member your welcome to visit it,i also have one on ancestry but its not as well done.
Hettie is yet another odd one both her and herbert 

my aunt has tried the museums in the past but your right it might be worth trying again next year when i visit her as they have just reopened ive got a long list of names to check boer war ww1 plus ive got a trunk full of printouts and papers notes and clues but as ever finding time is the problem sadly with the passing of my father the drive and will to succeed is not as strong but i'll get there and with time hopfully more and more records will come on line.


two photos one shows ella shepperd in centre with the 4 children (dad) cecil alec robertson with dog (roger) which was herberts gamekeeping dog ,2nd shows (dad on left)  sunday best? in water land near kingswood ulcombe