"Concord Farm" (NSW)

[majm]

    I think this would be that Sunday School picnic venue :

http://www.weekendnotes.com/yaralla-estate/

http://www.concordheritage.asn.au/walker-estates/overview

I think this would be on the I NICHOLS land, next to the MORGAN land.   I think I have a link between Eleanor and Nichols in some scribble notes made yesterday.   I will need to check File 13,  back shortly.

Recovered File 13, so I add
1828 NSW Census
Eleanor MORGAN, householder at Concord etc etc and the others in the household were:
Thomas HUMPHRIES, 40, Protestant, Life, CP, Labourer
Joseph HUNT, Protestant, 7 years FS, labourer,
Richard MORGAN (detailed earlier post)
Rodger RATTICAR, 50, Protestant, arrived per Castle Forbes, 1823, Life, Servant to Mr NICHOLS. 
Edward SMITH, 30, Protestant, per Ocean 1823, Life, Servant to Mr NICHOLS
Thomas SPENCER, 86, Protestant, per Admiral Gambier 1808, Life, Servant to Mr NICHOLS
James WHITE, 39, Protestant, per Atlas 1806, Life, CP, labourer.


I am wondering if Mr NICHOLS was the Isaac NICHOLS,  the first Postmaster.   I am fairly confident that this would be so.  (His mother in law would be Esther Abrahams, wife of George Johnston, the military leader of the coup d’etat that brought down William Bligh). 
 http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/nichols-isaac-2507 

This info may help in locating the Nichols land, and then working from that Nichols info ......... 



Cheers JM

[Lady Di]

Now that is very interesting JM as all my research has also pointed to the same conclusion - that Concord Farm was once the Nichols place.

Firstly - Nichols' land is shown on the map on previous page (reply #65)

I have followed the Walker family members and from what I have read Thomas Walker was actually living there in the 1850's/early 1860's. I have been hoping that there's a conflict in the years Thomas went to live in Melbourne and those dates coincided with 1853-1863 when my lot leased the land. The date that Yaralla was reputed to have been built also is a minor problem as that's also in the mid 1850's+.

I have written to the trust & heritage people and the Yaralla Estate itself but have never had a reply.

Frustrating - and frustrated - but still looking 

Cheers

Di

edit to add - Yes that's the correct Isaac Nichols. He was the first postmaster but  ended up in financial difficulties. On his death he left the land to his sons but Walker bought the mortgage and kicked them out when they were bankrupt. (or something very similar  )

[Neil Todd]

I am beginning to think that the 80 acres for lease was that owned by W Morgan who co habited with Eleanor Frazer, see under.

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~garter1/WILLIAM%20MORGAN.htm


Neil

[majm]

    Yes, well, even by 1830s the population in the settled districts of NSW was less than 40,000 so perhaps one day someone will assemble a fairly accurate database covering 'all' the imported people and their then descendants and upload it for anyone to freely search.....   

http://www.bda-online.org.au/  the index is free, there's a subscription per annum about $30 from memory.

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Could well be that acreage Neil 



Cheers,  JM

[Neil Todd]

It is such a tangled web with all the going's on with that lot at Concord and the Knobs at Sydney, insurrections and land grants/Leases/purchases. That unless someone could find all the documents and there would be heaps, the spot may never be known accuratly. But 80 acres of improved land seems more than probable to be the one that was Mr W Morgans lately wheelright of Windsor. He or the inheritor of his estate, would not want it to fall into disrepair and a nice little income earner by rent would seem appropriate.

Neil

[Neil Todd]

A bit more Junk.

The THORN FAMILY....

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gex/

I think the address going off the Map and cross referencing with Google Earth puts the land to the East of Concord Road, South of Myall Street and North Of Yaralla Street. Lots of houses on it now...

Neil

[majm]

For others following this thread, may I share, particularly for anyone hunting out NSW ancestors pre 1861 Robertson Land reforms....

old search title deeds using 21st century methods     (I can remember decades ago, and even more recently, Lands Titles Office and the BDM section too .... and the dusty old lands titles registers ...., OH and I would take a feather duster with us just to dust down where we were standing to hunt out some detail for either his or my family tree searchings )....

http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0018/150705/Old_System_information.pdf

https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/research-topics/land-records/land-records

http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/land_titles/land_ownership/old_system

http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/land_titles/public_registers

http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/publications/search_guides

http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/mapping_and_imagery/parish_maps  and in this instance keywords CUMBERLAND and CONCORD should be of help.   

So, using the live link below      I quote from their webpage 
Accessing parish and charting maps

Historical Land Records Viewer (Pixel)

In 2002, charting of the state’s cadastre, or property boundaries, became computerised. The final editions of the charting maps prior to computerisation can be viewed free in the Historical Land Records Viewer (HLRV). The Historical Land Records Viewer is part of the Spatial Information eXchange (SIX).  http://images.maps.nsw.gov.au/pixel.htm

If you don't know the name of the parish that contains the properties that interest you, use the Geographical Names Register, in the Geographical Names Board website, to search by locality or suburb. The result of the 'Name' search will include the parish name.


Cheers,  JM

[majm]

I think Lady Di would want the following parish map, as it seems to me to have good reference nos that will help LPI searchings.

County name : Cumberland
Parish name Concord
Sheet reference 3a
Image name County of Comberland Parish of concord (sheet 3a)
District office name Metropolitian
Filename :  mn_phConcord_Sheet)3a_Cumberland.jp2
And Image size (in pixels) 8766/11934

    

Cheers,  JM