"Concord Farm" (NSW)

[Lady Di]

OK - here's north AND south with some acreages and names - 1860

I didn't notice the Victoria Road bridge on the other one 

Di

[Neil Todd]

Umm no map!

I think you will find that Gladesville Bridge wasn't actually built until the mid 1960's. I was just pointing out the area it shows. Victoria Road wasn't named also untill late 1800's early 1900's. Prior to That it was "The Great North Road"
and is shown on the map you presented.

What was lacking was detail on the south Shore Concord area. I believe you will need an ealier version up to say 1850, before any further subdivisions took place and a list of the owners from the original grant. Late 1790's or maybe up to 1805.

If I am correct it was to a free settler or ex garrison soldier 40 acres his wife 20 acres and two children 20acres, 10 each. Which should make up 80 acres.
Lots of these had to be improved to keep the grants and maintained for a number of years and then could be split up, but I dont think this was allowed untill around 1846. So still original land grant until about then.

Neil

[Lady Di]

DOH!

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0s5k/

Hopefully this is the right map 

As you suggest an earlier map would be a far better option but Concord Farm was still on 80 acres at the time this map was produced. Doesn't help a whole lot unfortunately as the farm/property names aren't mentioned.

Di

[Neil Todd]

Map is OK, but who owned the 8o acres in 1860, have I forgot that bit

If you look at the map where it has the word concord, you will see one for Bishop 110, I believe this to acres. Further to the left or West is one for Hudson about 90 acres and one for Morgan around 80 acres. They are guestimets without a guide, but reasonably right.

Neil

[Lady Di]

Map is OK, but who owned the 8o acres in 1860, have I forgot that bit

Neil

No, you're not getting forgetful 
We don't know who owned it in the 1860's but a guy called Richard Wescott owned it in 1813
I was looking for any property that looked like it was abt 80 acres on the river front and there aren't many of those. I agree with your acres noted on the map. Anything about the size of Morgan's should be about the right size to be the Concord farm.

I'll keep looking ...

Thanks

Di

[Lady Di]

The original advert for this property was:
Empire [Newspaper] (Sydney) 6 July 1854
CONCORD FARM
TO BE LET the above charming property, situate on the Parramatta River opposite to Ryde, and within a pleasant distance of Sydney, by either land or water. It comprises a large Cottage, Stables, Coach-house, Farm-yard, &c, &c; 80 acres, more or less, of good land, well cleared, and fit for grazing. A fruitful Orange Orchard and Garden well stocked with Fruit trees. Possession can be given on the 22nd instant. Apply to
GEORGE THORNE AND CO.
York-street

I have just found another advert. from The Argus (Melb) dated 18 July 1854 and I believe this may be the same property.

CONCORD.-To Let. This healthy, picturesque, and productive property is situate on the south side of the River, half-way between Parramatta and Sydney; a road through the district connects it with the main-road, affording easy access by land to the city.
A steamer now plies, and the new line of steamers will pass the door at regulated hours daily.
There is a large-size Stone Cottage, with cellar and attics the whole length of the premises; with detached kitchen, laundry, coach house, four-stall stable, and men’s room; also a log barn, &c.
The land contains seventy-five acres, subdivided into grass paddocks, cleared of stumps. There is a large productive deeply-trenched kitchen-garden; an orange plantation in full bearing, of the choicest sorts of oranges, besides other fruit-trees and vines.
To a mercantile gentleman, or public officer, this presents a rare opportunity, as a market gardener could be profitably employed on the estate. The properties on each side of the river are occupied by wealthy and respectable parties.
For further particulars apply to Messrs. GEORGE THORNE and CO., Merchants, Sydney

It might be wishful thinking on my part but if it's the same property then I have a close approx location which is good news
If not, then it's back to square 1 

Is it the same property? 

Your opinions would be very welcome

Thanks

Di
(apologies for the long post  )

[Rhonda May]

Hi Di

Opposite Ryde suggests to me it was the south side of the River, and the description sounds more or less the same. It is logical a place called 'Concord Farm' was at Concord.

Rhonda

[Lady Di]

Many thanks Rhonda

It's been a right headache trying to establish where the property is exactly.
Some earlier references said Kissing Point or Ryde or Concord - in which case it could have been either side of the river.

Having just found the second advert which states a farm to let is on the south side I was hoping I wasn't reading the 2nd advert incorrectly.

I just needed a second opion/confirmation that both ad's are for the same farm.

Thanks for your help

Di


 

[Neil Todd]

I had a look today for information on George Thorne in the hope that we get some info on the farm from him. No luck, Unfortunatley; he was pretty prominent later on though, as he was the first Governor of the Sydney Stock Exchange.

Fully concur with Rhonda about the south area and it being in the harbour area of Concord. Still need an early map! Which is probably kicking around in the Mitchell library or somewhere.

Neil