early Wesleyan baptisms

[jmusher]

OK.
I have ordered some relevant (I hope) wills from CRO, just waiting for them to arrive.

I am now pretty confident with my lineage to a point. I am trying to find the father of this Bowden:

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1185281
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NK13-5QF

who seems to have been known variously as Benett, Benettus, Benedict married and apparently living in Breage

I assumed he was the one baptised in Wendron to Willimi (William) as it was the only similar name I could find in the timeframe.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J733-KW1

Any thoughts?


I just found this baptism to a Benedicti at Wendron in 1634, do you think it rules him out?
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1816738

[osprey]

is the scan of the 1633 baptism available from FamilySearch? You need to know how the year has been transcribed. If it shows as 1633 on the register, that would be what we think of 1633/4. There's a marriage for Benet & Grace in 16/4/1634 in Breage. 

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=909668

have you looked at all the baptisms to Ben Boden+ variants at that time to see if there is more than one family? There are baptisms to Benedict before the 1634 marriage in Wendron and a 1626 marriage in Wendron which would be early for someone baptised in 1610. There's a Benet buried in 1641 in Breage and one buried in 1658 in Wendron and one on the Protestation Return from Wendron from March 1641/2.

The baptism for one you're looking for might no longer exist, might be illegible or might not have been transcribed. If you look at the Genuki page for Breage, it says that the first six years of baptisms are imperfect

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Cornwall/Breage/

[jmusher]

Quite right, it may not exist.
I just found some baptisms in Breage at around the general time Benedict would have been born with names Williamus and Thomas. It is possible that they may be siblings if he was born in Breage not Wendron.

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/baptisms/index.php?year_from=1580&year_to=1640&parish=Breage&forename1=&surname1=Bawden&forename2=joh&forename3=&t=baptisms&soundex=1&nearby=1&bf=Search

I probably won't resolve this one!

[jmusher]

is the scan of the 1633 baptism available from FamilySearch? You need to know how the year has been transcribed. If it shows as 1633 on the register, that would be what we think of 1633/4. There's a marriage for Benet & Grace in 16/4/1634 in Breage. 

Hi Osprey, I have found the baptism it says Feb 1633, but it occurs in the register after December 1633, so I am guessing that would be what we now think of as 1634 with the new year occurring at the end of March?

I received the wills from CRO, unfortunately, the one for John Bawden of Wendron says nothing that would indicate his brother Benedict had moved to Breage. John actually appears to have had connections further North as both Wendron and Stithians Parish Churces listed as beneficiaries.

I think we have come to a stop.

[osprey]

well, as that baptism is from 1633/4, that would mean that it's not the same father as the other 1634 baptism. Even if you're stuck at this point, you've done pretty well considering last December William's origins were a bit of a mystery.

 

[jmusher]

Right you are. I am thrilled, and if this is as far as I get, I'd say we have done very, very well.

[jmusher]

Hi Osprey and KGarrad,
I have no idea how to read the dates (are they dates?) in this lineage from the 'Visitations of the County of Cornwall'
I am trying to verify the birthdate for John Trefusis (m Margery Gervese). Family trees in Ancestry.com have it as 1408, but I don't know where they got it from. I am hoping to be able to make an educated guess as to who the Lord of the Manor of Trefusis was in 1452 when my ancestor was 'freed'
The link is below. Thank you!

http://www.archive.org/stream/visitationofcoun09stge#page/222/mode/2up

[KGarrad]

The dates are in Regnal Years!

So where it says:
This Byll indented made at Westminster the 2 day of July in the 19 yeare of the raigne of our Soveraigne Lord King H VII . . . . .

It means 2nd July in the 19th Year of the reign of King Henry 7th.
He reigned from 22nd August 1485 until 21st April 1509.

So that would make it 1485 + 19 -1 = 1503!

Don't forget that the week after his reign began is in his first year!
And Regnal Years start from the date of accession.

There is help here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regnal_years_of_English_monarchs

[jmusher]

Brilliant! Thank you