early Wesleyan baptisms

[osprey]

my pleasure!

 

[jmusher]

Hi Osprey
Started asking a question but sorted it out, hence the empty update!



Happy Christmas!

[osprey]

Season's greetings to you as well and let's hope for more breakthroughs next year!

 

[jmusher]

Hello Osprey,
I am taking up the search again, and if you are still about I'd love your input.
We made a tremendous breakthrough last December, and I've been resting on my (our) laurels.
Here is what I am hoping to do...
I mentioned in the past my hope to find the reputed connection to Trefusis house or Castle in Mylor. The first ancestor of mine to arrive in Australia named his home Trefusis, and the story went that Mr Bawden was made a freed man of the house of Trefusis in 1450 (or thereabouts). I would really love to find something more substantial.

My Bawden family has a very large number of Hosking marriages in it, and so I am wondering if this Bawden/Trefusis connection might be mine:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SP86-55G

I doubt I will ever find a reference to the 'freed man' bit (1450 is pretty early...) but if I could connect us in any way to the Trefusis name, I would be very happy, thus, confirming or denying the above marriage as part of my tree would be fantastic.

The earliest certain relationship I have in my tree (as certain as I can be)
is here:
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=906921

Where an Edward Boden marries Elizabeth Hosken in 1718
This may be his birth:

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1186489

I have found an earlier marriage which may be his parents, but I'm not quite as certain of this. It is here:

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=909913

The Trefusis marriage is 70 years before my earliest confirmed relationship. Am I biting off too much?
Do you have any thoughts on how I might proceed?

Thanks, and hope all has been well with you this year

[osprey]

Welcome back!

you'll see this in other places on this & other family history sites, work from what you know. You  have another common name there in Hosken & don't discount Hosking or anything similar.

I wouldn't trust someone else's research, including a pedigree like that one from the LDS site. You need to go one step at a time and you may find you can only get back as far as the Civil War when there's often gaps in the records.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'freedman' around 1450. It sounds like some sort of slavery. Feudalism had been in decline for some time by then. The Black Death of 1349 more or less put paid to it, a smaller population meant people could sell their labour to a higher bidder. Under feudalism, a freeman paid a fixed money rent for his land while villeins held their land in return for various services to the lord of the manor, although some held their land under a mixture of rent and services.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GENUKI/1997-07/0868060325

You can search the Cornwall Record Office online catalogue for references to Trefusis House
http://crocat.cornwall.gov.uk/DServe/searchpage.htm
there's one in Mylor and one in Redruth

[jmusher]

Hi Osprey ,
Thanks for your reply.
Hosking/Hosken is very common in the family, with links still present today, the family appears again and again.
The freedman or freeman of the House of Trefusis may have the wrong date attached. My father isn't sure of the date, but thought that might be it, he is remembering a conversation with his father who read it in the "Bawden Books" presumably a family History -now lost.
So, in reality it could have been earlier.
I cannot find much on the Trefusis house of Redruth except that it existed with a draft lease from 1897.
Ill go back to my earliest confirmed Bawden/Boden and keep digging. We are getting very close to the Civil War though as you said, which may be why I haven't been able to find any more.
I dont know if I will ever find the actual Trefusis connection, it is all so tenuous!
Thanks again.

[jmusher]

Hi Osprey,
Could you please give me your opinion on this? I am trying to work out whether these might all be the same family. The repitition of the name John in the children might be a bit over the top? Not sure whether two children from the same family (presumably twins?) would be baptised one day after each other? Also wondering if you know if Willmi is a variant of William?
Thanks,
Jodie

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3ABowden~%20%2Bbirth_place%3A%22wendron%2C%20cornwall%2C%20England%22%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1580-1650~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Awillmi~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Abowden~

[KGarrad]

Firstly, don't confuse dates of baptism with dates of birth, or assume that baptisms happened soon after birth!
Many families had children baptised in batches!

Secondly, I think there are some transcription problems here?
I double-checked with Cornwall-OPC-database. Only these baptisms show:

24th June 1605         Johonis Bowden, father Willimi
17th August 1606     Johones Bowden, father Willmi
30th March 1608       Michaell Bowdin, father Willimi
18th November 1610 Benedictus Bowden, father Willmi
5th July 1612            Johones Bawden, father Willmi

[jmusher]

Hi KGarrad! Great to hear from you
I posted a reply earlier but I can't see it -so who knows what happened there.
Its possible that these may be siblings, Im just checking further to see if I can discount or add any of them. It would be handy if a mother was listed 


I wonder about this 1603 Marriage:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11625-27501-60?cc=1769414&wc=MMVH-K42:n175019224
The opc transcriber wrote Baldwin, but it definitely says Bawden. And Wm surely is as good for Willimi as it is for William -right?