early Wesleyan baptisms

[jmusher]

I think I may have found why The two William Bawden's are witnesses on the above marriage:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NFGQ-ZP5

Connecting the dots, if I am right, this is our William's  grandfather.

Am I assuming too much? All the dots seem to connect beautifully.

Searching for William Bawden and Mary Rowe's children:

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/baptisms/index.php?year_from=1764&year_to=1795&parish=Perranuthnoe&forename1=&surname1=Bawden&forename2=William&forename3=Mary&t=baptisms&bf=Search

look at the names!
proceeding with excited caution...

Looking at the 1841 Census with Samuel Wearn, I cant help but notice that there are Rowes only 2 entries above...

Speaking of Wearne/Warne/Wearn, I was taking a look at the family tree and noticed that Williams grandaughter Daisy Bawden's middle name is Warne. Most of her siblings (all Australian) were named for significant relatives and place names from Cornwall. That for me is the final clincher (if I needed one!)

[KGarrad]

Just a small note of caution!

Ages of adults (15+) on the 1841 census were (supposed to be) rounded down to a multiple of 5 years!!

So someone who has been enumerated as 30 years of age, could be aged between 30 and 34.

The enumerator of the Bawden family I found didn't do that, but it's as well to remember that others might have.

[jmusher]

Just a small note of caution!

Ages of adults (15+) on the 1841 census were (supposed to be) rounded down to a multiple of 5 years!!

So someone who has been enumerated as 30 years of age, could be aged between 30 and 34.

The enumerator of the Bawden family I found didn't do that, but it's as well to remember that others might have.

Got it, thanks! That is really useful to know. I will take another look at the census data I have with that in mind

[jmusher]

well, the marriage says Simon, but have a look at the first witness!


https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11093-96939-62?cc=1769414&wc=MMVH-VQP:n1648977724

Pretty sure that this is them at long last!

    

Take a look at this birth! Could this possibly be Williams sister... Ann who later goes on to marry Simon Wearn???

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1694534

and see the other baptisms to William and Ann; there are those names!

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/baptisms/index.php?year_from=1785&year_to=1815&parish=Perranuthnoe&forename1=&surname1=Bawden&forename2=William&forename3=Ann&t=baptisms&soundex=1&bf=Search

[osprey]

no, that Ann would be much too old to be enumerated as 25 in 1841. That gives a date of birth of between 1811 and 1816. 1841 census is the only one to have taken place in June.

I'm pretty sure that Simon/Samuel is the same person. Samuel only appears on the 1841 census, he's Simon after that.

Another word of caution apart from ages in 1841 is spelling of surnames. Don't read anything much into it. Names were spelled as clerks of the church or civil spelt them. Sometimes the signature doesn't match.

[jmusher]

ok thanks Osprey. Not our Ann then.

So, do you think perhaps he was baptised one name but known as another? I know that happens (my sister has a different name on her birth certificate, going to make a pretty puzzle for a genealogist some day).

[osprey]

the 1841 may just be an enumerator's error. Don't read too much into finding Rowes, it's a very common name in that part of Cornwall.

baptism for daughter of John & Elizabeth
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1696106

& her marriage witnessed by Simon

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=778308

[jmusher]

& her marriage witnessed by Simon

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=778308

Osprey, the other Witness John Williams may be William Bawden's father in law (father of Mary Hosking Williams was named John) although I am not sure of his birth date, he may be too young, or it may possibly be Mary's brother? Interesting anyhow.

[osprey]

I doubt that it's the same John Williams, father of Ann would be born what? 1760s? 1770s? It's unlikely! Again, another common name.