early Wesleyan baptisms

[Thamesite2017]

If you go to the LDS library catalogue and search by placename it is often a good way to find what records are available.
Also via the Cornwall genuki site

The time period you want sounds like it is getting too early for wesleyan records unfortunately.

Don't be put off asking again the same Q, just give the links

I have some terrible roadblocks and every once and awhile report in hope a rellie or someone may wonder along...so always good to add the names.

Sadly when you look at the actual baptism books you find that there are pages completely detroyed so hence why you may not find what you want.

Bye
althea

[Thamesite2017]

An online tree has the baptism as
Date 30 June 1799
Location mylor, Cornwall, England
Description C of E baptism
Father William

?? proof
Bye
Althea

[jmusher]

Dear Althea,
Thankyou for taking the time to look into my cause 

The online tree you found may be mine.... I have that baptism listed on Ancestry as an 'alternate' birth so that I would remember the details so that I might investigate it again later.

I wish that the Mylor baptism was the one (and still hold some hope), it fits in so many ways, it would explain why 'Trefusis' was such an important name in the family with about 8 descendants and a house given the name (Mylor being where Trefusis manor/castle once stood).
However, in my previous discussion with Osprey he found what may be a marriage and several births to William there, with his sister Mary as witness :

baptisms
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=988187
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=988104
burial of first Mary - on my birthday!
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=842381

But there is a marriage in Mylor that could be the William you found with sister Mary as witness
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=449589

& William witnesses her marriage as well
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=449668

several baptisms to William & Harriet in the parish, he is noted as mariner.

Have a look at this site for transcribed records, Mylor isn't complete, baptisms from 1801 only .
http://v1.cornwall-opc-database.org/personsearchdb.php

 

The link again to our conversation:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,579924.20.html

The hard thing for us as descendants is that William came to Australia and drowned within 2 years. His son Thomas was a rather significant figure and sparked off a dynasty, there are hundreds of us now. Unfortunately even though he wrote extensively, Thomas modest as he was strove to leave himself out of the histories he presented !!!!
(The Bawden lectures http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/21870825?selectedversion=NBD3067269)
So there are hundreds of us and we are all in the same boat.

William had five other children who all died early, so no relatives back in Cornwall from that generation either!

I'd love to hear your thoughts on that extra Mylor information.
The historical significance of the name Trefusis is one of my main quests.
There is another family story that says something along the lines of "Mr Bawden was made a freed man of the House of Trefusis in 1450" although that year given is a vague memory of dads, he isnt at all sure, and other branches of the family I have contacted,havent been able to clarify this. It may indicate an earlier connection to Mylor than the possible one above.

Thanks Althea, I really appreciate your help.
Jodie

[Thamesite2017]

The Hugh Wallis middlename index has the following entries for Cornwall

Christenings/Births/Baptisms Date Name
15 Feb 1768  Wm. Trefusis REICHENBERG Christening
14 Aug 1807  Richard Trefusis PELLOWE Christening
26 Aug 1833  Robert Trefusis VYVYAN Christening
3 Jul 1835  John Trefusis PUNNETT Christening
18 Oct 1844  Sydney Trefusis Godolphin PROUT Christening
10 Apr 1853  John Trefusis PAYNTER Christening
14 Jan 1859  Francis Trefusis PELMEAR Christening
22 Sep 1861  Charles Henry Trefusis PELMEAR Christening
4 Sep 1863  Sydney Trefusis JAMES Christening

Personaly I would trust that the family story has some relevance and shouldn't be ignored!!
Its just what on earth happended in the interim years.

Have you done much looking at wills around the area for possible mentions

Did anything come from trying to track who EDMOND BAWDEN could be..eg father, brother or no relation

Bye
Althea

[jmusher]

Hi Althea,
 
A middlename index! I didnt know it existed.

I have not done any searching of wills as I dont know where to look or what to look for specifically.
We do know that William's fathers name was also William, as William had to name his father for the immigration application. It lists his father as a miner, and resident of Marazion (at the time of application at least, the Bawdens have a habit of moving around a lot -for instance William the younger was living in Wales when his son Thomas was born).

As for Edmond, I did not ever find anything conclusive, not even sure that it is not Edward (?) judging from the handwriting.

I do have one other thing which connects family to Marazion, Thomas as an adult in Australia 'remembered his yound cousin' John Hosking (who had also come to Australia) when searching for a person to work on a project he was in charge of. John was born of an Elizabeth or Betsey Bawden of Marazion. I cannot find a definite connection between Elizabeth/Betsey and William, but I am fairly sure that they were not brother and sister, as in the obit for her husband, she is listed as the fouth child of EDWARD Bawden and Mary James of St Hilary (rather than of William the elder). I did some checking on the possibility that the Edward may be the inconclusive signature seen earlier, but the handwriting is significantly different. I searhed the database and found Elizabeth and her siblings, no William amongst them.

Did you see the sample handwriting listing the place of Baptism? Do you have any thoughts on that?

Thanks again !
Jodie

[osprey]

the index to the wills held by Cornwall Record Office is online

http://crocat.cornwall.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqApp=Archive&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqCmd=Search.tcl

If you find anything of interest, you then order a copy from the record office. I've had a quick look and nothing that seems to help.

http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=14713

What was the name of Elizabeth's husband? This marriage looks a possible

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=598844

Cousin might not mean first cousin, the relationship could have been a further generation back or more.

[jmusher]

Hi Osprey! 
Thanks for the link, I'll take a long look when the little one is asleep.
That marriage you found is definitely the one, I know Johns fathers name was Samuel. He died very young, she remarried and moved back to Cornwall (St Ives, specifically, from where they had been living in Ashburton, Devon).
Yes, I agree that 'cousin' may have been used to describe any relative of a similar age, so it may be hard to find the connection. I did follow a paper trail with Elizabeth, looking at the original documents available online for St Hilary, hoping that out William may have witnessed a marriage there somewhere. Nothing conclusive, but I did find something along the lines of (this is off the top of my head, I dont have the available files at the moment).... The witness to Betseys parents was an Ann Bawden, I found a possible marriage for Ann, and a William was witness to that! Very convoluted, and not really very helpful! 

Anyhow, glad to have your help again, thanks!
Jodie

Here is a link to the obituary for Williams son Thomas. Totally irrelevant to my search, but really quite something nontheless. How did one man manage all this?

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/61317643?

[jmusher]

I had a rather long look at the index, and found nothing either.
:/

Anywhere else I can look???

[osprey]

that's some tribute!

As for the wills, no, sorry they're all at the record office apart from those for people leaving property in more than one county which are at the National Archives. Doubt that's likely in this case.

I'll have a look at Elizabeth's family this morning. Sometimes you have to go sideways in order to go further back!