early Wesleyan baptisms

[jmusher]

yes, I know, I just get a bit over excited I guess!

 

[jmusher]

The children of William Bawden and Mary Rowe have virtually the same names as the children of William Bawden and Mary Hosking, (William and William junior), not able to place John.
Am I on the right track do you think with these two? Do you think I am safe to say that William Bawden and Mary Hoskin(g) were our Williams parents?  I am virtually certain that Mary Rowe is the mother of the William who married Mary Hoskin(g) The dates seem to fit pretty well with the ages given 1841 census.

Time to sleep.... Ill get back onto it tomorrow.
Thanks so much for all your help!

UPDATE:
I think I am getting it sorted now, starting to catch up to where you have been for days. I am finding it hard to keep it all together, I only have about 2 hours a day to work on this, so I get a bit tangled up in names! Sorry if I am frustrating by missing the obvious.  I see where we are headed now.

Am I right to connect the dots that John, father of Edward and Thomas is the right age and occupation to (possibly) be the same John who is father of Elizabeth/Betsey who married Samuel Hosking?

[osprey]

that's the theory I was working on back in replies 19 & 20 - links to her marriage and baptism are there.

It could be that John & William were cousins rather than brothers. It's not unheard of at this period for a male of a younger generation to be referred to as nephew, although he's not a nephew as we would look at it now. This could be John's baptism

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1694444

 

[jmusher]

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J39P-FQ2

Not sure if we have covered this already ( I can't find it in the thread), but this looks to be Ann Bawden's baptism  (wife of Simon/Samuel. Time frame and location is right, child of William and Ann. Not out of the question that William Bawden and Ann Hosking are her parents, I suppose, though Ann would have been 44, and the location is Ludgvan, and we know the family was mostly in Perranuthnoe. William and Ann Hosking did have two sons called William from what I can tell our William born 1798, and another William born 1780. Of course William and Ann living with Ann and Simon Samuel is pretty compelling though....right? So probably parents?
Would two Williams mean that the earlier one likely died?

Possible contender for another son of William Bawden and Mary Rowe:
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1694131
could be John senior, but as he would only have been 18 when John junior was born this may be unlikely -though of course, who is to say that he was baptised immediately? What do you think Osprey?


Possible contenders for William Bawden husband of Mary Rowe:
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/baptisms/index.php?year_from=1730&year_to=1746&parish=Perranuthnoe&forename1=William&surname1=Bowden&forename2=&forename3=&t=baptisms&soundex=1&nearby=1&bf=Search

Note the 1744 Birth; mother named Grace, though the others may be just as likely (more Anns)
Spelling notwithstanding, his marriage states that he is 'of Breage". There was another birth of a William Bawden in 1747 at St Hilary, which I have discounted mostly because of the location, but also if it were him, he would have only been 19 when married. Not impossible, bit not as likely (?) as being married in his 20's.
I have gone back to this very earliest one, as I am starting to wonder if the main connection between the Bawdens and Hoskings could be through Samuel Hosking's mother (Ann Bawden) than his wife Bestey/Elizabeth Bawden

Found a likely birth for Anne Bawden wife of Samuel:
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1694418
Parents William Bawden and Mary (Rowe??), Mary Rowe would have been 44. Its late but not out of the question.

If all of my suppositions above are right I think I have tied all the threads together Hosking/Wearne/Bawden/Rowe! With the exception of John I suppose, but then, Betsey's father may not need to fit as her husbands mother does. Please let me know if you see any major holes in my theories.

Any earlier ancestors to William (prior to William/Mary Rowe) seem to be spelled Boden. Is that likely?

[jmusher]

Possible baptisms for William (husband of Mary Rowe)
All are pretty much equal, all are family names. Still leaning towards son of William and Grace, meaning he was married at 23, but cant see why son of Edward and Ann wouldn't be just as likely, married at 28. The earliest, son of Thomas and Ann is probably the least likely just because he would have been a bit older (34) when married. Don't know if my reasoning is right. This one is not likely to be resolved.

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/baptisms/index.php?year_from=1733&year_to=1744&parish=Breage&forename1=William&surname1=Bawden&forename2=&forename3=&limit=50&t=baptisms&soundex=1&nearby=1&bf=Search

Been trying again to find John and John junior in the tree, have found nothing new, and am starting to lean further towards my earlier supposition that as his daughters husbands mother (phew) Anne Bawden is a possible/probably fit, I may not need to.

[osprey]

I've said it before but I'll repeat it, stop worrying about spelling! Names were recorded as the clerk recording them thought they should be spelt. 

 

Have a look at this parish map and you'll see that the parishes we've been talking about are along Mount's Bay, and people could use a neighbouring parish church if it was nearer. My Sithney lot lived on the edge of the parish, so events are recorded in the parish church normally, but sometimes in the church in Helston which you can see from where they lived in Sithney, though it is up a steep hill.

http://www.cornwall-opc.org/MAPS/parish_map.pdf

[jmusher]

..you wont have to tell me a third time 

Thank you very very VERY much for all of the assistance you have given me Osprey    I am feeling pretty confident that we have the truth, and not just what 'fits', I am so thrilled. Can't wait to tell the family! (trying to explain it is going to be interesting!)

[osprey]

looking like it's coming together, doesn't it? So glad we got somewhere at last!

    

[jmusher]

coming together is right!
We have achieved more than I could possibly have imagined. Those family names (Edward, Grace, Thomas William etc) are repeated again and again in the area right back into the 1600's, and I have found what looks like the common origin for John Bawden and William Bawden's  families a looong way back.

I cannot thank you enough for the help you have given me Osprey.

When the Bawden Books were lost in a fire, we lost much of our history.
People actually flew to the UK to try to work this out, to no avail, but NOW WE HAVE IT!

thankyou thankyou THANKYOU !