The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited

[Siamese Girl]

As we know so little of Ann Fox, we don't even know if she was married or not - I listed all the men with the surname Fox who married plain Anns on Ancestry's London BMDs 1816-1846 made a note of the Anns surnames and then tried to find their baptisms, as many parishes at that time made a note of the date of birth as well as the date of baptism there was a (very) remote chance that I might have found Ann Fox, if she had got married as we know her date of birth. I didn't expect to find her and I was right! It was just too hit or miss.

Carole

[drykid]

Glad that you have returned drykid. You never know, you may have a bright idea which leads to a new discovery.

Thanks   It's good to see so many familiar names.  But really as far as me helping, I don't have the skills at tracing people that you and the others have.  My only contribution to the old thread was to throw in the occasional bit of info here and there that I'd picked up from googling.

Talking of which, I did find this today, in case anyone has £3.4 million to spare and wants to become a latter-day Nat:

http://www.allsop.co.uk/i/149/115/2163/london-12-13-richmond-buildings-soho

OK it's not no. 9  itself, but I still think that the buildings next door are of a similar age.  The brochure on that page is worth looking at as well, as there's some nice photos of the building inside and out (well, better than my attempts at photographing the same thing, anyway.)

[deb usa]

Thanks for doing this Ruskie ...how fun!

Nice to see everyone 

[deb usa]

Not sure ...but could this be Matthew Wards death:

Matthew Ward
Mar q 1851
STRAND, London
vol 1 p 358

[Ruskie]

Drykid, I believe the buildings for sale are rebuilds, but in the original style. There are some buildings on the corner of Dean St which look pretty grotty and I believe may be original, but don't quote me on either of those opinions.

Deb, as usual I am unsure of districts, but maybe Matthew was no longer living at Richmond Buildings when he died? It could be him. I will think about buying this certificate too.

Something I thought that might be worth considering (and which I have really little or no knowledge about) is wills. I wonder if any of the family made a will? Mary? Granny Shepherd? This Matthew Ward who died in the Strand district? 

Does anyone know how and where to check for wills?

[deb usa]

Hi Ruskie

I only gave that death registration as in 1841 St Anne Soho fell under Strand, Middlesex! I am completely useless when it comes to the difference between Middlesex and London!

I did a google maps thingie and Dean Street/St Anne Soho seemed to be only 1.8miles from Strand, London.

I will look around for Wills and Probates.

Where is Mary in 1841? ...I know that sometimes if you were a patient in those days you may have been enumerated with just your initials ... I checked ... Nothing. Grrrrr

deb

[drykid]

Drykid, I believe the buildings for sale are rebuilds, but in the original style. There are some buildings on the corner of Dean St which look pretty grotty and I believe may be original, but don't quote me on either of those opinions.

No, I read elsewhere that the south side of the street was rebuilt, so that backs up what you're saying.  But still from photos the style looks very similar.

Actually there are a lot better archive photos of the old Richmond Buildings around now than there seemed to be last time; I do remember one black and white photo, but it was a bit tiny.  But you can see several from this link, all of which you can zoom into to get good detail:

http://collage.cityoflondon.gov.uk/collage/app?service=external/SearchResults&sp=Zrichmond+buildings

tbh I can't get over how these photos look more like they were taken in 1870 than 1970.  Particularly the photo of no. 6 with the hand cart standing outside.  It's just annoying that they only show the north side of the street.

[Ruskie]

Thank you for the link to the photos drykid. I don't remember seeing them before.

That 70's monstrosity on the corner of Richmond Buildings and Dean St I'm sure must have replaced some of the older buildings. (today it has been replaced by another monstrosity  ) I suppose it is also possible that some of the buildings were bomb damaged so had to be replaced/rebuilt. The photo bottom left showing a shop on the corner of Dean St and Richmond Buildings (same photo is on page 2 with a number of '80') still survives today - it can been seen on Google maps - unfortunately google maps won't let you go down Richmond Buildings.

I am unsure if the building for sale in Richmond Buildings is a new build or the original buildings very 'done up'. I would also be interested in finding out how the buildings were numbered in Nat's day, to see if they tally with any of the numberings in the photos. I think we covered this in the past, but unsure what conclusion we came to.

[MaryA]

If you really want to order the Death Certificate - and as you have the exact address from the burial - order it online at www.gro.gov.uk and say NO to the question about whether you have the exact reference.  Then give the date of burial and address.

Although they say that they don't do reference checking any longer, this is a work around and they will look for the correct entry for you.